Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[smlobx]

Just saw this video from TFL. With almost twice the HP of our gas version and it is literally a direct drop in I think this has a lot of promise…

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[AmosMoses]

How much more does it weigh than the diesel?

 

[Dickster]

Waste of money.

 

[smlobx]

The guy did say that it had different springs and shocks to bring it back to the Rubicon ride height which you would expect.
As far as weigh goes yes it does weigh more but with approximately twice the HP and way more torque this thing is capable of a 0 to 60 time of 4 seconds…

 

[Dickster]

I am waiting for someone to take a EV off road, roll it, damage the battery and start a forest fire. It will be epic and EVs will be banned off road.

 

[sharpsicle]

I am waiting for someone to take a EV off road, roll it, damage the battery and start a forest fire. It will be epic and EVs will be banned off road.

That's just like saying "I am waiting for someone to take a gasser off road, roll it, spill all the gas and start a forest fire." How often do you see that being a problem? And if we're being honest, damaging a gas tank to the point of gas leaking out is way easier than damaging a battery to the point of combustion. So why aren't gassers banned already?

Oh wait, because this isn't an actual problem, it's a straw man argument. And there always seems to be a new one popping up once the old one is shown to be just as full of hot air as the next.

There are EVs tackling trails as we speak, and have been for a while. This type of mentality is a bit uninformed and fairly ignorant. Feel free to not want an EV, but at least apply some rational critical thinking about it first. I am not sold on the viability of EVs just yet myself, but I also am not making them into the worst thing ever with random off-base "what-ifs" about them in the meantime.

 

[Dickster]

That's just like saying "I am waiting for someone to take a gasser off road, roll it, spill all the gas and start a forest fire." How often do you see that being a problem? And if we're being honest, damaging a a gas tank to the point of gas leaking out is way easier than damaging a battery to the point of combustion. So why aren't gassers banned already?

Oh wait, because this isn't an actual problem, it's a straw man argument.

There are EVs tacking trails as we speak, and have been for a while. This type of mentality is a bit uninformed and fairly ignorant.

Most fire extinguishers will put out a gas fire. Yet EV batteries will randomly catch fire again. At one point iphones and Samsung phones were banned from airplanes. The batteries are unstable and can cause a lot of problems. EV vehicles are a great idea, but until someone comes out with a better battery option they are horrible in every way.

 

[sharpsicle]

Most fire extinguishers will put out a gas fire. Yet EV batteries will randomly catch fire again. At one point iphones and Samsung phones were banned from airplanes. The batteries are unstable and can cause a lot of problems. EV vehicles are a great idea, but until someone comes out with a better battery option they are horrible in every way.

You might want to look into getting more informed information on these examples and how they relate to vehicle battery technology. I know you've got the hate in your heart for EVs and that's driving you to make these statements, but really you might want to become better informed about the situation. Casual connections like this, especially when the connections asserted aren't actually there (such as between the Note lineup of phones and electric cars), are not productive at all.

 

[Bonanza]

I will be one of the first to trade in this wheezy, recession era lump of a motor for something more modern. Why everyone wants to cling to V8/V10 fuel economy with the performance of a 4 cylinder is baffling.

However, I am less thrilled to accept the drawbacks to towing. I readily admit that EVs are garbage for towing.

 

[RubiNewbCB]

It will have a reduced Tow Rating, somewhere between 4500 and 6k most likely.


Edit: The Factory 4Xe version will have a reduced Tow Capacity.

 

[BourbonRunner]

I will be one of the first to trade in this wheezy, recession era lump of a motor for something more modern. Why everyone wants to cling to V8/V10 fuel economy with the performance of a 4 cylinder is baffling.

However, I am less thrilled to accept the drawbacks to towing. I readily admit that EVs are garbage for towing.

Because internal combustion motors are incredibly cheap to build and easily achieve high power while serving a distinct purpose. The trade off in fuel economy and emissions is balanced by the reliability and low operating costs.

We're decades away from widespread BEV adoption in the "must work reliably in every instance, all the time" world. I'm referring to heavy duty use like emergency management, (police, fire, emt, disaster response) off road construction, military readiness. Aside from test balloon situations, it just isn't there and won't be there for a long, long time.

Don't get me wrong, I geek out over the idea of BEVs- the power, speed, tech is pretty wild. But the harsh reality is that for the majority of use cases outside major metros and the coasts, BEV practicality isn't there for a long time. Hybrids OTOH are the best option for the majority of people but they still have those evil IC motors attached.

 

[Stormtroopin]

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I am waiting for someone to take a EV off road, roll it, damage the battery and start a forest fire. It will be epic and EVs will be banned off road.

im just waiting to see an EV off-road….

 

[Moe-Jave]

Whether you are a fan or not, electric vehicles are here to stay...

Consider a few arguments here are exactly what happened at the debut of gasoline engines. There were concerns about how far apart fuel stations were, fire danger, noise, and reliability issues. The list goes on, and you can map them to the concerns here about EVs...

I'm a fan of EVs and have owned two. I also recognize the limitations and we're still on the steep curve of adoption. Pioneers (early adopters pay "pioneer tax" but get a voice in the direction) shape the future and the big OEMs are cautious for a variety of reasons already pointed out.

Without getting into the politics and regulations, it will come sooner than most think/want. I personally can't wait, and living off-grid, it suits me perfectly. I have already made the switch in other places (electric mower, and related tools/appliances).

There is room for both to coexist for a very long time. Don't worry, you can keep your gasser for the rest of your life without much concern.

 

[cranbiz]

I saw a pair of Rivian's at Potts Mountain in May. They didn't get far on the trail. It wasn't the fault of the drive system, it was the fault of the drivers. Street tires and no ground clearance, poor spotting. One took out a rear quarter panel, which BTW is a very expensive repair.

I would really have liked to see a lifted one with off road tires just to see what all that torque could do.

 

[redriderjf87]

You might want to look into getting more informed information on these examples and how they relate to vehicle battery technology. I know you've got the hate in your heart for EVs and that's driving you to make these statements, but really you might want to become better informed about the situation. Casual connections like this, especially when the connections asserted aren't actually there (such as between the Note lineup of phones and electric cars), are not productive at all.

We should be logical and not emotional on this.

Regarding the original forest fire point, it's definitely easier to put out a gas fire than a Li Ion battery fire.

I am working in this exact space in manufacturing (not in cell phones or small devices), and mitigation plans are more around containment, rather than planning on being able to actually put the battery fire out.

I don't want to drag this thread down in the weeds, but needed to say my perspective.

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