IFS coming in 2029?

[Stan H]

The new Ram Dakota is is going to be based on the Gladiator frame with IFS. Think that will be the start of the switch over.

At which point I will be even more glad to have my SFA

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[Chasm]

And whomever says that solid front axle vehicles ride poorly and have vague steering needs to take my Gladiator for a spin; it rides and steers terrific!

That's what I say about mine! Corners way better than anything with that high of a center of gravity has a right to

 

[Sweetums]

I love that everyone thinks their "butt dyno" knows more than engineers with actual chassis test data.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I love that everyone thinks their "butt dyno" knows more than engineers with actual chassis test data.

My speedometer doesn't lie. I've had multiple trucks all over the highways around here. My ford would squeal tires around certain ramps here, the Chevy felt squirrely going at speed around some exits - I can take a 65 mph exit ramp at 75 without issues with my JTs. Actually, my Overlands did better than my Mojave does. You can hear the tires slide a bit on it, the Overlands never did that, they held tight and fast.
So yeah, my JT can take the tight figure 8 type exits and entrances around here at much faster speeds than my other trucks could.

BUT - to your point, that's just one example, one situation.
Camber change is a good thing with IFS and helps on really tough cornering and so on. It's easier to manager oversteer and understeer, and the springs are set in such ways as to more directly manage the changes in geometry in tough situations at speed.

For my purposes - I can out-do the posted speeds for anything around here with ease, and that's all mine has to pass.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

My speedometer doesn't lie. I've had multiple trucks all over the highways around here. My ford would squeal tires around certain ramps here, the Chevy felt squirrely going at speed around some exits - I can take a 65 mph exit ramp at 75 without issues with my JTs. Actually, my Overlands did better than my Mojave does. You can hear the tires slide a bit on it, the Overlands never did that, they held tight and fast.
So yeah, my JT can take the tight figure 8 type exits and entrances around here at much faster speeds than my other trucks could.

BUT - to your point, that's just one example, one situation.
Camber change is a good thing with IFS and helps on really tough cornering and so on. It's easier to manager oversteer and understeer, and the springs are set in such ways as to more directly manage the changes in geometry in tough situations at speed.

For my purposes - I can out-do the posted speeds for anything around here with ease, and that's all mine has to pass.

Without slalom speeds or lap times for vehicles being compared, isn’t it just butt dyno type testing?

 

[DirkG]

When I read click-bait drabble like this - via Motor Trend no less - it's like watching a moron try to parallel park a monster truck. This "journalist" probably owns a 2018 Toyota Prius, but also inherited a 2015 Jeep Renegade from his elderly aunt; which qualifies him to scribe Jeep content. Uh huh.

The deep Jeep experience and automotive acumen just exudes with this logic...

"If the 2029 Jeep Wrangler Flops, It’s Lights Out for an Icon."

...then says...

"There is no Jeep without the Wrangler. More so than any other model by any other carmaker, Jeep’s identity is tied to the success—or failure—of the Wrangler."

So by that logic, if the 2029 Wrangler flops, Jeep will go bankrupt and cease to be a brand.

OK, got it.

You're welcome for the free clicks. Motor Trend - do better.

 

[Thunderspud]

Never thought I'd see the day that us assholes are all in here debating "lap times" and "0-60" speeds on our solid axle Jeeps. Is this how I find out that I am apparently the only person who bought this truck because I simply liked it the way it is?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Without slalom speeds or lap times for vehicles being compared, isn’t it just butt dyno type testing?

I'll set the stopwatch on my phone next time.

No? Still doesn't count?

 

[Rusty PW]

When I ordered my JT. I had a list of things that I wanted and didn't want. I could have any truck out there. Coming from a Power Wagon. I wanted a smaller version of it. And the only truck that fit the bill was the JT. And I ordered it the way I wanted it.

 

[Chasm]

I love that everyone thinks their "butt dyno" knows more than engineers with actual chassis test data.

Sorry that we enjoy the action rather than numbers on a screen! One is just more fun than the other.

And when you've driven enough cars to their limits, you can get a feel for G forces and body roll. No, I can't tell you that it pulls "0.67 G's in a left turn", but I can tell you that this corners about as well as a stock early Fox Mustang. That's not spectacular, but it's great for a Jeep.

Never thought I'd see the day that us assholes are all in here debating "lap times" and "0-60" speeds on our solid axle Jeeps. Is this how I find out that I am apparently the only person who bought this truck because I simply liked it the way it is?

I didn't buy mine for the handling, but I was pleasantly surprised.
I did buy it partially because the "butt dyno" told me that all mid-sized competition felt like driving an econo-sedan, while the Gladiator had at least some feel of a truck.

 

[Chasm]

Acceleration on the other hand, is underwhelming. hence the need to discover how fast I can corner. I need less acceleration if I don't slow down!

 

[MT1]

Going back to when SFA was common on full size pickups, I recall some trucks, with load E tires, handling quite well on some of the twisty roads in the mountains north of LA. Between the solid axles, stiff springs, and stiff tires, there was no lean in the curves. Those roads were also smoothly paved; no bumps.

So, I know of times when solid axles are great on road, and also when they keep the driver busy.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

How many grain trucks have IFS?

 

[Stan H]

My speedometer doesn't lie. I've had multiple trucks all over the highways around here. My ford would squeal tires around certain ramps here, the Chevy felt squirrely going at speed around some exits - I can take a 65 mph exit ramp at 75 without issues with my JTs. Actually, my Overlands did better than my Mojave does. You can hear the tires slide a bit on it, the Overlands never did that, they held tight and fast.
So yeah, my JT can take the tight figure 8 type exits and entrances around here at much faster speeds than my other trucks could.

BUT - to your point, that's just one example, one situation.
Camber change is a good thing with IFS and helps on really tough cornering and so on. It's easier to manager oversteer and understeer, and the springs are set in such ways as to more directly manage the changes in geometry in tough situations at speed.

For my purposes - I can out-do the posted speeds for anything around here with ease, and that's all mine has to pass.

Same I can take a set of S-curves like a pro in my Rubicon.

 

[Rusty PW]

Acceleration on the other hand, is underwhelming. hence the need to discover how fast I can corner. I need less acceleration if I don't slow down!

I do a lot of track days. And driven a number of cars to their limit and my limit. Within the group. We have a saying. It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than drive a fast car slow. A good example. Driving a spec Miata at its limits and passing some with 600 plus hp around the outside of a turn. You can out brake him and carry more speed through the turn. Then watch him pass you going down the next straight. Only to repeat on the next turn.

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