No aftermarket LSDs for non-Rubicon Gladiators?

[Supazuk]

Very few mechanics are going to mess with replacing an axle tube. From the mechanics view, the entire assembly gets replaced.

Can you show me where you can buy just the center section for anything that’s not a Ford 9”?

you are arguing semantics and speaking from a parts changers view

Real mechanics and fabricators in off-road, hot rod, racing, etc swapping axle tubes and housings is very common.
How do you think rear steer axles, narrow drag rear ends, custom portal set ups are done ?

Have I ever called the whole housing assembly, a "housing" or just a "diff" yes but its not correct. I'm just being lazy. usually I referencing when I've grenaded one and I have not opened up to inspect it
In part many call the complete housing just a housing that is still not correct
housing assembly -
a center section- the drop out third like toyota, zuki ford and others

My buggy has custom offset tubes on a toyota housing for 8 inch third members

To build a complete housing or housing assembly one needs:
The housing
Axle tubes
housing ends, or inner C's
press the tubes, use alignment bar and pucks and tack it together then slow alternating welding
Cast housing must be pre-heated then post cooled in usually a oil bath

Many manufactures sell bare housing for example:
9" housings

dana 60 housings for G- body's
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[Wheelin98TJ]

you are arguing semantics and speaking from a parts changers view

Real mechanics and fabricators in off-road, hot rod, racing, etc swapping axle tubes and housings is very common.
How do you think rear steer axles, narrow drag rear ends, custom portal set ups are done ?

Have I ever called the whole housing assembly, a "housing" or just a "diff" yes but its not correct. I'm just being lazy. usually I referencing when I've grenaded one and I have not opened up to inspect it
In part many call the complete housing just a housing that is still not correct
housing assembly -
a center section- the drop out third like toyota, zuki ford and others

My buggy has custom offset tubes on a toyota housing for 8 inch third members

To build a complete housing or housing assembly one needs:
The housing
Axle tubes
housing ends, or inner C's
press the tubes, use alignment bar and pucks and tack it together then slow alternating welding
Cast housing must be pre-heated then post cooled in usually a oil bath

Many manufactures sell bare housing for example:
9" housings

dana 60 housings for G- body's
https://www.lethalperformance.com/s...xzPMoMyxHulYueALDKZQOWhiIkB3Ub-CVsupPmZ-XNhSI

high pinon 60's https://www.vividracing.com/dana-hi...9kT6_7dqMYWhdItz_ZJnkielwGDEGWQX4hGZXCCLICY0o

https://www.finditparts.com/product...8GIiTBFhLfEW8LA8UOtHvrTvAdvwRBfdWAlWvd5OGsjtk

The post that started this was supposed to be just to avoid confusion.

When you buy a housing for a Gladiator, it includes the axle tubes. There are different part numbers for wide and narrow axles.

That’s all I was trying to say.

 

[Supazuk]

This whole thread hurts my brain from pinion spline count to nomenclature of the parts that make up and axle assembly ....
However I think the worst thing I ever read in a forum was years ago, a guy calling a front axle assembly a "Front rear end "

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

This whole thread hurts my brain from pinion spline count to nomenclature of the parts that make up and axle assembly ....
However I think the worst thing I ever read in a forum was years ago, a guy calling a front axle assembly a "Front rear end "

No kidding.

The first posts of this thread don’t even point out the axle shaft spline count doesn’t matter when it comes to the ring and pinion. I was the first to say it in post #8.

If you’ve ever been inside an axle, it helps you understand how they work. You know the axle shafts don’t touch the ring and pinion.

 

[RudeJeepin]

WTF?
What the hell is a "dizzy".

Come on man, people have been calling them dizzys for years. Nothing new there. Just cause you go buy what you read in your repair manuals from the 30s and 40s doesn't mean the newer terms are wrong.
I've heard many an old hot rodder call them dizzys. Some probably just as old as you. Some just as or even more experienced at building hot motors as you or anyone on here.


Sometimes terms get confused between different regions or the difference can be where/how you learned to turn wrenches. Not all of us went to school.
While I've been to my share of mechanics round tables or seminars, I don't much formal training. I have been to some classes on specific motors, say Cummins and the hot mess of a Ford 6.NO.
My base knowledge comes from years of experience. Alot of it was helping my dad work on the family rigs. Then working on my motorcycle as a teen, and my cars when I started driving.


I do agree on the housing vs housing assembly, but relax guys. No need to get your panties in a bunch over semantics.


Recently I replaced an axle housing on the rear end of 68 buick skylark. Guy wanted disc brakes, gear ratio change and lowered suspension. He ordered all the parts, that was a big mistake. Wrong axle, wrong brake conversion brackets, wrong wrong wrong. Should of ordered everything myself. But we made it work with new calipers and some fab work. Then came the new master cylinder, wrong again. Took 3 weekends over almost 2 months. Should of only taken a day or so.
See what I did there with a few terms. While not technically correct, I bet you all got the picture.

 

[RudeJeepin]

No kidding.

The first posts of this thread don’t even point out the axle shaft spline count doesn’t matter when it comes to the ring and pinion. I was the first to say it in post #8.

If you’ve ever been inside an axle, it helps you understand how they work. You know the axle shafts don’t touch the ring and pinion.

That has a lot to do with the OP not really knowing what he's talking about. Confusion was running a muck. But eventually the fog cleared long enough to get him pointed in the right direction. Maybe, I think, well I guess anyways.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Come on man, people have been calling them dizzys for years. Nothing new there. Just cause you go buy what you read in your repair manuals from the 30s and 40s doesn't mean the newer terms are wrong.
I've heard many an old hot rodder call them dizzys. Some probably just as old as you. Some just as or even more experienced at building hot motors as you or anyone on here.

LOL - I hang out with hot rodders every Tuesday, and have been in those groups for years. Never once heard anyone call them that until the internet. Not in high school, not in college (where we had some drag racing guys in the class), not after that. One guy built his car in a gravel driveway, learning as he went - never heard it called that.

HA - my stuff isn't THAT old. 80s, 90s, some later (some of the Jeep stuff)

Nope, decades in automotive, hanging out with guys from Iowa Street Rod Association, GoodGuys, and the racing guys at the drag strip every fall - every one of them actually says distributor. Never heard "dizzy" until the internet. . It's not a "because you went to school" thing. Gene has no college education at all, shade-tree type of guy, worked at John Deere for years, built up a street rod business in his quonset shop ("Barn Find"). He even talks about getting the proper KPI, scrub radius and so on - no college education at all.

If anyone was going to use that term because of lack of formal education in automotive (or anything for that matter), it would be that group for sure.

 

[Supazuk]

LOL - I hang out with hot rodders every Tuesday, and have been in those groups for years. Never once heard anyone call them that until the internet. Not in high school, not in college (where we had some drag racing guys in the class), not after that. One guy built his car in a gravel driveway, learning as he went - never heard it called that.

HA - my stuff isn't THAT old. 80s, 90s, some later (some of the Jeep stuff)

Nope, decades in automotive, hanging out with guys from Iowa Street Rod Association, GoodGuys, and the racing guys at the drag strip every fall - every one of them actually says distributor. Never heard "dizzy" until the internet. . It's not a "because you went to school" thing. Gene has no college education at all, shade-tree type of guy, worked at John Deere for years, built up a street rod business in his quonset shop ("Barn Find"). He even talks about getting the proper KPI, scrub radius and so on - no college education at all.

If anyone was going to use that term because of lack of formal education in automotive (or anything for that matter), it would be that group for sure.

I've heard them called "Dizzys" and have heard it on trail and in fact seen it in print in Car craft and hot rod ... it is a very common term in the North east I dont' use it however

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I've heard them called "Ditzys" and have heard it on trail and in fact seen it in print in Car craft and hot rod ...

Is it a regional thing? Honestly, hanging out with all sorts of car guys, from the worst of the shade-tree type, to pros, to drag racing fools, to drag racing pros, high school on up, never seen it before, or heard it before the internet. I'd think if it was a common thing - of the people I hang out with, someone would have said it (if you judged some by appearance, you'd wonder how they survived this long or - should they even be driving??)

 

[Supazuk]

Is it a regional thing? Honestly, hanging out with all sorts of car guys, from the worst of the shade-tree type, to pros, to drag racing fools, to drag racing pros, high school on up, never seen it before, or heard it before the internet.

I know that's what my grandfather called them for short and he was a Ford mechanic in starting in the 50's
pretty common on the interwebz too

https://www.corral.net/threads/proper-diagnosis-of-a-possible-bad-distributor.1389547/

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/hei-dizzy.804670/

https://www.sassyautochick.com/automotive-slang-terms/
Dizzy – Refers to a distributor, which sends power from the ignition to each spark plug at the correct time.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

I've heard them called "Dizzys" and have heard it on trail and in fact seen it in print in Car craft and hot rod ... it is a very common term in the North east I dont' use it however

When mine are all working correctly I try not to speak of them. Every gremlin I’ve ever had can be traced back to something in the *name redacted*. Don’t want to awaken any automotive ghosts

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I know that's what my grandfather called them for short and he was a Ford mechanic in starting in the 50's
pretty common on the interwebz too

https://www.corral.net/threads/proper-diagnosis-of-a-possible-bad-distributor.1389547/

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/hei-dizzy.804670/

https://www.sassyautochick.com/automotive-slang-terms/
Dizzy – Refers to a distributor, which sends power from the ignition to each spark plug at the correct time.

All I can say is - worked with my first boss who started in the 50s as a mechanic for tractors, then cars in the late 50s, and my other boss who's father started his business in the days of the Model T and Model A - and no one ever used that term.
Can't explain it, but can't be THAT common to have not heard it until this century and the internet.
(of course you are quoting internet sources!)
So, sorry, never heard it. Even working with people who ran and worked in shops going back into the 40s and 50s, and all the guys I hang out with.
Can't explain it. It is what it is.

 

[Hootbro]

You guys need to slow down. I cannot keep up with all the life experience credentialling being thrown around here to figure out who will reign supreme above all others.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

When mine are all working correctly I try not to speak of them. Every gremlin I’ve ever had can be traced back to something in the *name redacted*. Don’t want to awaken any automotive ghosts

This one will really make you dizzy setting it up, as will dual point one I have in the loft of stored away AMC dizzies!
Mine has no vacuum advance.

The forum really is educational - I learned what I thought was just slang of a few guys in an area goes back farther than I'd ever heard it.

 

[RudeJeepin]

LOL - I hang out with hot rodders every Tuesday, and have been in those groups for years. Never once heard anyone call them that until the internet. Not in high school, not in college (where we had some drag racing guys in the class), not after that. One guy built his car in a gravel driveway, learning as he went - never heard it called that.

HA - my stuff isn't THAT old. 80s, 90s, some later (some of the Jeep stuff)

Nope, decades in automotive, hanging out with guys from Iowa Street Rod Association, GoodGuys, and the racing guys at the drag strip every fall - every one of them actually says distributor. Never heard "dizzy" until the internet. . It's not a "because you went to school" thing. Gene has no college education at all, shade-tree type of guy, worked at John Deere for years, built up a street rod business in his quonset shop ("Barn Find"). He even talks about getting the proper KPI, scrub radius and so on - no college education at all.

If anyone was going to use that term because of lack of formal education in automotive (or anything for that matter), it would be that group for sure.

By education, I didn't mean tradition college. I was talking more mechanical classes or trade schools. But I guess back in your day, there probably was actual mechanics classes in college. Not anymore and probably not for some time. But anyways.

I wonder if the dizzy thing was maybe somewhat of a regional thing before the internet made it more wide spread.

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