The diesel is just superior…

[ecidiego]

put lockers in

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[JTGuy]

Better with lookers

 

[Stuntman Mike]

I don't understand how they could discontinue this great engine instead of developing it further and eliminate the small issues it had.

Just returned from a round trip to Romania, no issues and great MPG. Especially for towing a tent trailer and including approx. 400 km off road.

 

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

I don't understand how they could discontinue this great engine instead of developing it further and eliminate the small issues it had.

Just returned from a round trip to Romania, no issues and great MPG. Especially for towing a tent trailer and including approx. 400 km off road.

L/100km WTF is that? more like moon landings per world war win.

 

[69charged]

When I ordered mine it had to be the diesel. There was no question. And I hadn’t ever even driven a jeep diesel before.
I am extremely happy with it, but I will admit that I don’t think I see the mileage some others see on here. In 60,000 miles, I’m at 21 MPG.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

I don't understand how they could discontinue this great engine instead of developing it further and eliminate the small issues it had.

Main issue was fuel pump availability. They would have needed to develop their own fuel pump which would have been time and cost consuming.

Combine that with Americans being scared of diesels and the persistent pressure from EPA and the likes it didn't make sense to keep producing them.

If they ever come out with a diesel hybrid Gladi I'd probably be the first to the dealership to test drive one.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

When I ordered mine it had to be the diesel. There was no question. And I hadn’t ever even driven a jeep diesel before.
I am extremely happy with it, but I will admit that I don’t think I see the mileage some others see on here. In 60,000 miles, I’m at 21 MPG.

Mileage claims vary so much because locations and conditions vary so much.

In rural areas you're usually under 65mph which makes a big difference.
In the flats you're ALWAYS in the throttle. In the hills/mountains you coast a lot more.

I'll never see over 20mpg here in MN. It's flat, it's usually windy, and speeds are almost always over 65mph. But out west in the mountains I'll easily see over 20 average. Speeds are usually lower and theres more coasting. Heck, I just saw 20 average while pulling my camper in Colorado. As soon as I left the mountains and was back in the flats I dropped to 15ish.

 

[69charged]

Mileage claims vary so much because locations and conditions vary so much.

In rural areas you're usually under 65mph which makes a big difference.
In the flats you're ALWAYS in the throttle. In the hills/mountains you coast a lot more.

I'll never see over 20mpg here in MN. It's flat, it's usually windy, and speeds are almost always over 65mph. But out west in the mountains I'll easily see over 20 average. Speeds are usually lower and theres more coasting. Heck, I just saw 20 average while pulling my camper in Colorado. As soon as I left the mountains and was back in the flats I dropped to 15ish.

Yeah. I’m pretty flat here in Manitoba. On our transcanada highway I have my cruise set to 74. And that is most of my driving. Now that I’m off warranty, I guess I should put this thing on a diet.

 

[Zachanadandy]

We have a diesel JT and LJ. I'm only on 35"s but there's no way I'm hauling the LJ around here at 75 MPH, not through these mountains or at these altitudes. Maybe 55 going uphill and with one eye on the oil temp the whole time.


I thought about the Mojave, but then realize that I could make a Rubicon ride just as well or better when I do the lift. It's much more expensive and more difficult to put lockers in compared to a mild lift and upgrading the shocks and springs while you are in there.
Don't get me wrong, the Mojave is a very nice setup from the factory, but the diesel Rubicon can very quickly do everything the Mojave can, has the steel knuckles, frame reinforcement up front and has lockers.

Unless you spent $3k on shocks and added hydraulic bump stops it doesn't ride better period. At low speeds you might think it does. Run it through some whoops and washboards at freeway speed and you'll soon see the difference. Even the fox 2.5 elite DSCs lack the internal bypass features that make the mojave shocks so good at speed. Sure if you're primary focus is low speed crawling the rubicon is the way to go. If you actually want to push the suspension at speeds it needs a lot of money put into the suspension to keep up. Also if desert running is your main use, you'll never need the front locker. I've only used the rear 1 time and that was rock crawling not desert running. We have a JLUR for rock crawling, no point in trying to make the JT do the same. With it's breakover and departure angle shortcomings it would need 6" of lift and 42s just to try and keep up with the JLUR on 3.5" of lift and 39s. There's no way to make 1 rig accel at everything. The diesel isn't the right choice for high speed runs as it's heavy and low hp. The 3.6L is the better choice there which is why the 3.6L is actually slightly quicker in the quarter mile despite the huge power advantage the diesel has. Rpms and hp are what you want for the desert not off idle torque.

 

[professorkx]

I've never seen my temps go higher than normal, even sitting in traffic when it's 110 outside.

Agree, some have cooling issues while others avoid the cooling nightmare. Not sure anyone has figured out the reason. For me, a diesel would have nice since my adventure motorhome is a 6.7 Ford diesel and we travel 5-6 months each year. I just didn’t want to roll the dice and have to deal with the cooling issue if I were one of the “lucky” ones with a cooling issue.

I image there is a fair number of diesel owners who are experiencing cooling issues that would not agree that the diesel option was the best choice.

 

[Sweetums]

I've never seen my temps go higher than normal, even sitting in traffic when it's 110 outside.

It's not idling that's the problem, it's long uphill climb (especially in hot weather or at altitude)

 

[Sweetums]

Unless you spent $3k on shocks and added hydraulic bump stops it doesn't ride better period. At low speeds you might think it does. Run it through some whoops and washboards at freeway speed and you'll soon see the difference. Even the fox 2.5 elite DSCs lack the internal bypass features that make the mojave shocks so good at speed. Sure if you're primary focus is low speed crawling the rubicon is the way to go. If you actually want to push the suspension at speeds it needs a lot of money put into the suspension to keep up. Also if desert running is your main use, you'll never need the front locker. I've only used the rear 1 time and that was rock crawling not desert running. We have a JLUR for rock crawling, no point in trying to make the JT do the same. With it's breakover and departure angle shortcomings it would need 6" of lift and 42s just to try and keep up with the JLUR on 3.5" of lift and 39s. There's no way to make 1 rig accel at everything. The diesel isn't the right choice for high speed runs as it's heavy and low hp. The 3.6L is the better choice there which is why the 3.6L is actually slightly quicker in the quarter mile despite the huge power advantage the diesel has. Rpms and hp are what you want for the desert not off idle torque.

I guess I will just toss these King race shocks I was going to install.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

It's not idling that's the problem, it's long uphill climb (especially in hot weather or at altitude)

I live in the high desert, it's all long climbs at altitude in 100+ temps lol.

 

[Zachanadandy]

I guess I will just toss these King race shocks I was going to install.

King makes great shocks, but even there they make several lines that aren't as good as the factory mojave shocks. Not saying everyone needs a 2.5" bypass shock and if you aren't really pushing speeds a standard 2" even non-reservoir is more than enough for most. But to step up to a bypass shock you are looking at this level of king shock. https://www.polyperformance.com/kin...IPZ7eyJjtATmVmfsa7QSIRxJgYIDRl3IaAuhSEALw_wcB
And a set will run a fair bit over $3k.

 

[BearFootSam]

Mojave, Diesel? My 21 JLU Wrangler story.

Went down to get a Diesel Gladiator. Only on on the lot was a sport. Diesel was truly the only option on that rig. Talk about a plane Jane. If she'd had heated seats and mirrors, she would have gone home with me. ALMOST, blank canvas, but at 65, in the Pacific northwest I can't live without heated seats and mirrors. Yeah, I could have ordered and paid for them but it was my first visit.

A week later they had a Tan Mojave. Out for a ride, I was in love!!!! Got back to dealership and said "get it in a diesel" and im sold. Manager spent 3 hours on the phone before getting the whole story. (They dont do that!) I was bummed.

So the boss sales lady grabs a diesel wrangler andone of the young sales kids and tells him to sit in the back seat and keep his mouth shut. She sent my wife and I out with a (every option you could get except the 1/2 door options). Told us to come back and tell her what we wanted to order our own Gladiator.

Well we enjoyed the drive, testing all the stuff best you can in town. Got on the freeway to drive the 3 exits back and I see this button above the mirror. (one touch top)

Yep, what you'd expect. When we got back to the dealership my wife looking at my ear to ear grin, says....oh..this Jeep is following us home isn't it?

My Mojave diesel story.

Heated wheel and seats are a luxury I appreicate on a wet PNW day. I score a lot of husband points when I put on the front passenger seat warmer before my wife gets in.

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