Who is waiting for the diesel?

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Are you going to wait for the diesel?

  1. Yes

    49.3%
  2. I want the diesel but don't want to wait for it

    16.4%
  3. I Just want a 3.6 Pentastar

    34.3%
  1. TennesseePA

    TennesseePA Well-Known Member

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    #46 Dec 5, 2018
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    Yes it does but one doesn’t become a rich old man by being a stupid young man!
     
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  2. CDJeeps25

    CDJeeps25 Member

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    Diesel is upwards of $4 a gallon here in CA.
     
  3. drogers

    drogers Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but to be fair, regular gas is like $3.50...
     
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  4. Ian cj10

    Ian cj10 Well-Known Member

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    hopefully you guys will have done all the beta testing before we get it;)
     
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  5. WXman

    WXman Well-Known Member

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    The reason the EcoDiesels were frequently locking up and required full engine replacements had something to do with the way the camshaft gears were machined. There was no keyway to keep them locked in place, so when they spun free they'd wipe out the engine. Reputable sources at dealerships have said that the problem was very widespread, particularly at around 70,000 miles and beyond.

    Since this is an internal failure, how will anyone know whether FCA has addressed this issue or not? You won't be able to see it unless you disassemble the top of the engine, and there isn't a service department or FCA representative anywhere that's going to have the answer to that question if you ask, "Has the cam gear issue been addressed?"

    Buying an EcoDiesel is going to be risky until somebody has the guts or necessity to open one up.
     
  6. Oilburner

    Oilburner Well-Known Member

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    I'm fairly certain the early ecodiesel engine problems were due to rod bearing failures - I have read from bad bearing material to faulty bearing cap bolts/torque. Actually know a guy who went through this w/ his Ram pickup. Pretty sure they changed the bearing design, that's why Jeep changed the spec on the engine oil too. It still seems crazy to me to change the oil in a diesel at ~10K miles, don't care if it's synth or not, I change mine at 8K.
    I have read about the cam gear issue you describe, I would file it under 'design flaw'. As I understand it, on the passenger side of the engine the end of the cam has the timing gear on it = the end of the shaft is tapered, and the gear is simply bolted on, it is held in place by friction alone applied by the torque of the bolt. Not pinned/keyed at all. What could possibly go wrong, right? :facepalm: Hopefully they improve this w/ the Gen II version of the 3.0
     
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  7. Kay9Cop

    Kay9Cop New Member

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    The law suit is against 2014-16 Eco diesels. The ED was upgraded in 2017 and the newer ones are emissions compliant.
     
  8. eternus

    eternus Well-Known Member

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    So, the MPG of the diesel will have a big effect on these prices. If my Petrol JT gets 20 MPG and it costs 2.30 a gallon (around the cost here in CO for 85) and the Diesel JT gets 30 MPG and it costs 3 a gallon (around the cost here as well), the range on the diesel becomes ridiculously good... and the cost per gallon really drops for the diesel. That being said, we haven't seen any numbers for the efficiency of the Ecodiesel... if my above numbers are accurate then it seems like it'll pay for itself kinda quickly... oh i guess unless they tack on a 5-10k price tag for the option.
     
  9. homerun

    homerun Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget extra maintenance costs.
     
  10. eternus

    eternus Well-Known Member

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    Yah, that part I'm unfamiliar with. I would worry that I don't know how to maintain one... if it's tricky. I sure wish they'd at least announce numbers for expected MPG on everything.
     
  11. Jeeptimus Prime

    Jeeptimus Prime Active Member

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    I would like the diesel but living in CA the cost of diesel fuel is crazy (not to mention the cost of the diesel engine itself). So most likely sticking with the 3.6 but heard it was modified for the JT.
     
  12. RedTRex

    RedTRex Well-Known Member

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    The 3.6 was updated in 2018, no specific updates for the JT
     
  13. RedTRex

    RedTRex Well-Known Member

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    My neighbor has a '14 Ram Bighorn with EcoD, he said he gets 27mpg.
     
  14. Sorbs

    Sorbs Well-Known Member

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    I’ve 65k trouble free miles on my 2015 GC Ecodiesel. I see the Ecodiesel Gladiator as its replacement.
     
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  15. TexTJ209

    TexTJ209 Well-Known Member

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    Awesome!
     
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