BEWARE - JEEP ISNT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS [LOCKED: USER BANNED]

[Sweetums]

I’m not following you. Are you saying I destroyed a transmission and “modded” this to cover damage? Or are you accusing jeeps/the dealership?
I didn’t mod anything. Also doubt someone can ruin a “bulletproof” transmission in 10k miles….also, it’s very common. If you come out of your mom’s basement and look through your stupid ducks, you can read all the other comments and get some perspective.









"Dilly Willy" you sure are making a lot of assumptions! I came here and tagged jeep cares from dozens of other's recommendations who have had the same problem (there is a class action lawsuit). The stick poking worked, they reached out, offered extended warranty on new transmission and/or vehicle buy back for another truck.

So, to address your peabrain...yes I bought used. Didn't know that used jeeps were a bad thing. Never had issues with my USED Fords. Yes, it has both been driven as a CAR to work, and a TRUCK for home projects. I have not tried drag racing it yet, didn't know that was a thing with jeeps, only ever seen drag CARs.

"scared"? Um, ok.

Modded gears? where'd you get that? This vehicle was on lease until 40k miles. 2k miles were from the only actual owner. 10 by me. The 3-4 gear slipped when I got it, which is clearly "a jeep thing" (search it, assuming you degenerates in Australia have the capability). It led to a check engine light with an error code "gear ratio off" or something like that. Took it to dealership and they confirmed that as well as metal shavings in the system. Apparently according to you, driving a jeep causes that. How do you maintain a sealed, "bulletproof", "drag racer" transmission?! Shame on me I am a first time jeep owner, right! PA is a mandatory inspection state. It's been inspected, per state law, twice now. It's been in the shop 3x, as stated. So uh, again, why didn't jeep's technicians inspect it? How do state inspectors inspect a sealed transmission?

"Blew up"...definitely didn't blow up. Simply had the issues stated leading to Jeep replacing the transmission for factory defect. Here is one of many posts of THE EXACT SAME THING

We done here? We know you lost the crocodile man, but geez get over it and go be happy with your jeep drag racer.

Yeah, the assumption is that the gears were modded - because why would a tech be "shocked" by OE gearing, and how would OE gearing (or any gearing) cause a fluid loss in the transmission? So either you're embellishing the story significantly, the shop is a bunch of clowns who are "shocked" by factory parts, or the vehicle was modified poorly by a previous owner (which still wouldn't explain fluid loss in the transmission).
Assuming the previous owner did things poorly was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Same with the death wobble, that's a sign of worn or poorly maintained steering parts, suspension part, or a cheap and poorly installed suspension kit.

Well, then that sounds even worse if Jeep sold me a "title washed" vehicle! THis was leased to 40k, 2k on the first owner, 10k on me. Carfax was clean when I bought from the dealer.

Is it common for Jeep dealers to do this?

Also, this is actually a very very very common problem.

Anecdotal evidence is just evidence of an anecdote. One reddit post and a handful of replies is hardly a sign of a significant pattern. The ZF8 is a tried and tested design that is one of the most widely used automatic transmissions in the world. There are going to be failures and manufacturing defects with any system, the question is what's the rate of failure; this is far more important than the number of failures. You can say there have been 100,000 transmission failures over the life of production, but if you've built 4 million units that still a failure rate of 0.025. There have been over 20 variants of this transmission built, including licensed ones by Stellantis and GM.
Unless you have some numbers for rates of failure and failure mode, this sounds like someone ran the trans out of oil and didn't notice a seal leaking.

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[Gvsukids]

Almost flipped on the highway at 70mph from the “death wobble”,

How close?

Something doesn't sit right here.

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[ChrisNLA]

Funny thing is, the thread title is actually on point, just not how they meant it. When I was shopping EVERYONE was telling me not to get a Jeep because it's garbage, especially the diesel. After I bought one EVERYONE was telling me it was a mistake and it's going to leave me stranded. 60k miles on the truck and the only issue I have is an intermittent service 4x4 light when its wet out.

I still firmly agree that in the steering / suspension department, Jeeps are hot garbage. The parts are inadequate even in stock form and don't last nearly as long as parts in just about any other truck and SUV.

Comparing stock to stock for road going usage. I know someone is going to point out that Jeeps hold up better than anything after you one-ton all of it and go offroad.

Yes. I know that. Been there, did that

Other than the bargain bin shocks, ball joints, and steering parts I've found my Jeep to be very reliable, though - contrary to the OP's experience.

There is always a problematic vehicle or two out there, though.

 

[althouse08]

Obviously the previous owner treated it like crap and likely didn't get things fixed. You inherited their mess, not sure I'd put that entirely on Jeep. A little, maybe, but with care these trucks are actually quite good.

It was a lease until 40k. Doesn't Jeep maintain during that time? Only owner in between had it for 2k miles and traded because it was "too small". Maybe that guy didn't drag race it like the other reply says jeeps need?

 

[Zachanadandy]

I agree to a point. When you mention "but in the end, fix it myself" sounds good but unfortunately vehicles today, at least for driveway mechanics, are barely fixable. I guess Jeep has to follow suit with other manufacturers but with all of the electronics and limited access to many areas, actually fixing things oneself is less and less of an option.

I think of my '99 TJ in the yard. It has the 4.0 engine and I can actually change the spark plugs!. It came with a soft top and factory half doors. About 7-8 years after I bought it, I was opening the door, heard a snap in the door, and nothing happened. Door didn't open so I had to unzip the window and press the door handle to get out. Anyway, I took the five screws that held the inside of the door out, pulled the inside cover off, and saw that the metal wire that connected the door handle switch to the locking part had broken. I didn't have any thick wire handy so I went in the house and got a pair of pliers and a metal coat hanger. I cut the coat hanger to the approximate size, twisted the ends on where it connects and screwed the door cover back on. Maybe 15 minutes or less. I thought to myself that I would get a better pieces of wire later and fix it "properly" when I had more time. But the door worked like new, so I just left it alone.

It still works fine, about 20 years later.

Try that on any new vehicle today.

Nothing death wobble/ suspension related is electronic or any harder to work on than the TJ. Sure if you're fully dropping the front axle you'll have to unplug the FAD, but that's no different than the vacuum disconnects they ran in the late 80s/ early 90s. The power steering pump itself is electric, but that didn't cause the wobble. If the latch rod in the door broke you could fix it just the same. If the actual window or lock motor failed it's still an easy fix. I agree trouble shooting the chassis electronics are more difficult, but you don't have to be an engineer to work on a new Jeep.

 

[althouse08]

How close?


YouTube clicks.

The almost flipping was from the panic swerve to the side of the road. Speeding up/slowing down didn't stop it, had to slam on the brakes in traffic and pull over where there wasn't much room between road and ditch.

Thank you for asking! What do you mean by "Youtube clicks"? I am new here and finding out real quick a lot of Jeep owners are just as bad as jeep's Indian customer care reps.

 

[althouse08]

I still firmly agree that in the steering / suspension department, Jeeps are hot garbage. The parts are inadequate even in stock form and don't last nearly as long as parts in just about any other truck and SUV.

Comparing stock to stock for road going usage. I know someone is going to point out that Jeeps hold up better than anything after you one-ton all of it and go offroad.

Yes. I know that. Been there, did that

Other than the bargain bin shocks, ball joints, and steering parts I've found my Jeep to be very reliable, though - contrary to the OP's experience.

There is always a problematic vehicle or two out there, though.

Thank you...sounds like I shouldn't give up just over one bad experience!

 

[althouse08]

I have no idea how you managed to destroy that transmission, the ZF8 is used all over in higher stress and much higher power engines. Something isn't adding up about your vehicle's history, it's starting to sound like the title got washed and those mods were done to cover damage.

ask this guy:

 

[althouse08]

53k miles on my JTR and have only replaced a single coil pack due to intermittent misfire. Unless the OP purchased his from his grandmother, maybe some of the blame should be contributed to the previous owner

Not following your comment. My grandma died 6 years ago, and the other one in February. Thanks though, Jeep owner!

 

[Flyboy2109]

It is US made. The CEO has to be paid millions before quality is a thought.

You bought the PO's problems. A used vehicle at 40k miles probably had problems wether caused by the PO or it was a POS right off the line. I like my truck, but it has a few quality things that I would like to have seen done better-but that increases cost-all a trade off. Am I satisfied so far, yes.

Sorry for your headaches, but I would have bought new. Every vehicle I have bought since 1990 has needed warrantee work. The Jeep? Clutch recall and valve cover cover oil leaks. Only 8600 miles due to where I have the truck and it's purpose..

Post script: I see it was a lease, that modifies my opinion of why it was on the market. But then, lease vehicles get abused because the leaseholder knows they likely are not keeping it. I wouldn't buy from a rental car company either. for the same reason. All those Jeeps at AVIS here in the 50th state.

 

[althouse08]

Yeah, the assumption is that the gears were modded - because why would a tech be "shocked" by OE gearing, and how would OE gearing (or any gearing) cause a fluid loss in the transmission? So either you're embellishing the story significantly, the shop is a bunch of clowns who are "shocked" by factory parts, or the vehicle was modified poorly by a previous owner (which still wouldn't explain fluid loss in the transmission).
Assuming the previous owner did things poorly was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Same with the death wobble, that's a sign of worn or poorly maintained steering parts, suspension part, or a cheap and poorly installed suspension kit.


Anecdotal evidence is just evidence of an anecdote. One reddit post and a handful of replies is hardly a sign of a significant pattern. The ZF8 is a tried and tested design that is one of the most widely used automatic transmissions in the world. There are going to be failures and manufacturing defects with any system, the question is what's the rate of failure; this is far more important than the number of failures. You can say there have been 100,000 transmission failures over the life of production, but if you've built 4 million units that still a failure rate of 0.025. There have been over 20 variants of this transmission built, including licensed ones by Stellantis and GM.
Unless you have some numbers for rates of failure and failure mode, this sounds like someone ran the trans out of oil and didn't notice a seal leaking.

No modification on this Jeep. I agree, Jeep techs are a joke. Idk why they were shocked, I am not a Jeep technician or one of the duck Jeep tards. FWIW the back glass wire caught fire, and the stereo had to be replaced too lol. In 10k miles with me. It was a lease for 40k.

Numbers wise, I don't care or have time to look it up. Google it! Do you know how to use that website, I can tell long time Jeep owners aren't very bright. It's at Gary Miller CDJ in Erie Pa if you want to do some investigation outside of a 2 minute google search.

 

[Sweetums]

Insulting the members of this forum isn't going to win you any sympathy. You sound like a dickhead.
And if we are going on "not very bright", you're the one making the claim, so it's your burden of proof. You found one anecdote on Reddit and keep spamming that link as "proof" that the transmission is systemically flawed. Make your case, because right now it just seems like you need people to jump on your bandwagon to validate yourself.
There's a lot about your story that simply doesn't add up. Either you're fudging details to make yourself out to be the victim/hero, you don't understand what you're being told. When someone points this out your impulse is to insult an entire demographic.

So either you're full of shit, a dickhead, or both. Either way, I'm not going to try to find the right ICD code for whatever's wrong with you.

ask this guy:

Yeah, that story has been posted repeatedly. Citing the same single failure over and over isn't a pattern.

 

[althouse08]

My reply was somewhat of an inside joke for the other members here. There was another thread years back where it was the guy's first post on the forum and the thread has pretty much off the rails even though the OP gutted it.......worse than a CA legislative bill!

These are American made vehicles with a lot of import sourced parts, so we can't expect 90's Honda/Toyota dependability. Hopefully you get her dialed in and enjoy some trouble free use soon!

Haha I hear you. This Rubicon I have as a rental is awesome! I am not ready to give up on Jeep just yet over one vehicle. I am talking to the GM of the dealership later today to figure out what they put this through (it was on lease to 40k). Jeep also reached out and have a case, I will update when I hear more. Or delete this post because I butthurt some Duckers.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Yeah, the assumption is that the gears were modded - because why would a tech be "shocked" by OE gearing, and how would OE gearing (or any gearing) cause a fluid loss in the transmission? So either you're embellishing the story significantly, the shop is a bunch of clowns who are "shocked" by factory parts, or the vehicle was modified poorly by a previous owner (which still wouldn't explain fluid loss in the transmission).
Assuming the previous owner did things poorly was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Same with the death wobble, that's a sign of worn or poorly maintained steering parts, suspension part, or a cheap and poorly installed suspension kit.


Anecdotal evidence is just evidence of an anecdote. One reddit post and a handful of replies is hardly a sign of a significant pattern. The ZF8 is a tried and tested design that is one of the most widely used automatic transmissions in the world. There are going to be failures and manufacturing defects with any system, the question is what's the rate of failure; this is far more important than the number of failures. You can say there have been 100,000 transmission failures over the life of production, but if you've built 4 million units that still a failure rate of 0.025. There have been over 20 variants of this transmission built, including licensed ones by Stellantis and GM.
Unless you have some numbers for rates of failure and failure mode, this sounds like someone ran the trans out of oil and didn't notice a seal leaking.

It didn't run out of oil, it had the typical failure that is addressed by a TSB.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/attachments/document-pdf.982417/

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Yeah, that story has been posted repeatedly. Citing the same single failure over and over isn't a pattern.

Jeep released a TSB because there is a pattern.

Why would they release a TSB for something that doesn't happen often? This is a recurring issue.

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