Official: Hurricane Twin-Turbo 3.0 I-6 Coming for Jeep With Over 500 HP and 475 ft-lbs!

[JDChris]

Where do you see the option price?

Apparently it is in the B&P for the Grand Wagoneer. It was mentioned in this article (with screenshot) - https://[Banned Site]/its-a-hurricane-of-horsepower-gme-t6-h-o-will-make-507-horsepower/

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[The Duck of Earl]

I expect this engine to make it into the JL, but not right off the bat. With only the Mexico plant confirmed producing this engine at first and with 250k a year once fully ramped up, I expect them to start with Wagoneers and then Grand Cherokees for Jeeps and probably the Ram 1500 next (can see their playbook being rolling out the HO to the Ram limiteds first as an upgrade). With Dodge also supposedly launching a new Durango soon and the replacements for the Challenger/Charger around the corner, Stellantis would need to find a way to make more that 250k a year before this engine is justifiable in a Wrangler/Gladiator (aside from just using the HO version as a low volume halo).

Also, unlike the JL, the JT is in an odd spot on the gas engines given that they do not have the 2.0t. It would be odd to keep the current 3.6 around with the new SO 3.0 but also just as odd for the SO 3.0 to be the base offering.

 

[Minty JL]

If anyone sees reference to the JL, JT and future Wranglers getting this, please point it out ( or message me). I have read all these articles and have not seen it.

And also note, this thing is not a long as the old 4.0, they say it is the size of a four cylinder physically, so it should fit in the JT/Wranglers.

Seems logical that the JT and Wranglers will eventually get it cause every other manufacturer is going this way ( Silverado, Raptor, Bronco).

NO, the 3.0TT is based on the same structure (bore/cylinder sizes) at the current 2.0T; so no, not the same size as the 4 banger

 

[MOPAR Boy]

The perfect engine solution for the JT would be a Cummins I-4 diesel!

 

[cb4017]

Sounds cool but I remain skeptical. It will be interesting to see how these do in the long term.

I've owned a DI turbocharged engine. Awesome power and torque but I never became a real fan. The engine was noisy (the DI) and beat the hell out of oil. The viscosity would sheer down a grade within a couple thousand miles and fuel in the oil was a thing. Some owners even had issues with oil level increasing because of fuel contamination. All that and the thought of carbon buildup on the intake valves just bugged the heck out of me. I didn't have it long.

I would not be an early adopter.

 

[Davekayc]

I would rather go for a natural large displacement. But it would be worth a try.

 

[AleYeah]

I've mostly just been lurking lately as I decided to keep my JKU another year or two, but this topic definitely has my attention.

 

[smlobx]

I have been wondering if, given all the buzz about electrification, Stelantis would shelve this project and I’m glad they didn’t.

I see them rolling this out in their full size trucks at first then their high performance cars then…finally the JT. By then the bugs will be worked out and I’ll be ready to buy!

 

[AXISJT]

Im curious when it says increased gas milage how significant that would be. I average 28 plus in my ecod which no way with the way prices are going I'm giving up lol

 

[mazeppa]

 

[JamesWyatt]

The new Hurricane should be the standard engine for the Mojave. The current V6 in mine feels barely adequate. Having to wait for the Hurricane to drop into other Jeep and RAM models first would be irritating. Ready to trade mine on day one.

 

[xcantuaj]

The new Hurricane should be the standard engine for the Mojave. The current V6 in mine feels barely adequate. Having to wait for the Hurricane to drop into other Jeep and RAM models first would be irritating. Ready to trade mine on day one.

I agree.....this engine is gutless. No toque!!! If 90 percent of your customers will put on fat tires then why not put something stronger under the hood. They are lucky Ford didn't make the bronco truck....game over.

 

[Uparms]

NO, the 3.0TT is based on the same structure (bore/cylinder sizes) at the current 2.0T; so no, not the same size as the 4 banger

 

[sunrise089]

Not quoting but octane requirements are discussed above. FYI the press release specifically noted the SO version of the engine would run on regular (premium recommended). The HO requires premium.

That leads me to a quick side-bar that unlike, say, some German turbo applications where there is very little aside from computer code which separates versions of an engine with different power levels, the Hurricane SO/HO split is pretty meaningful here, and Jeep's marketing team is playing it up too. I make no claim about the actual production cost or complexity differences between the two engines, but the way Jeep is talking about them stresses their differences more than their similarities: one is supposedly tuned for efficiency, the other power; one runs on regular, the other premium; on the Wagoneer it looks like the HO is identified as the 'grand' version of the engine; etc. And beyond the marketing side, the engines differ not only in their programming and the turbos, but in heads, pistons, and crank. My read is this is not a F-150 2.7 vs 3.5, or a Silverado 5.3 vs 6.2 situation where the upgrade pricing is modest, but more akin to something like a BMW 340i vs M3 situation where the higher output motor is priced at a large premium even if the core archetecture is unchanged. My optimistic take then is that by pushing the HO version of the engine upmarket they're creating space for the SO version to be pushed downmarket without the public being too pissed off at a large price delta between them. And since I'm way more confident the SO version will come to Gladiator versus the HO, I see that as a good thing for us,.

I expect this engine to make it into the JL, but not right off the bat. With only the Mexico plant confirmed producing this engine at first and with 250k a year once fully ramped up, I expect them to start with Wagoneers and then Grand Cherokees for Jeeps and probably the Ram 1500 next (can see their playbook being rolling out the HO to the Ram limiteds first as an upgrade). With Dodge also supposedly launching a new Durango soon and the replacements for the Challenger/Charger around the corner, Stellantis would need to find a way to make more that 250k a year before this engine is justifiable in a Wrangler/Gladiator (aside from just using the HO version as a low volume halo).

Also, unlike the JL, the JT is in an odd spot on the gas engines given that they do not have the 2.0t. It would be odd to keep the current 3.6 around with the new SO 3.0 but also just as odd for the SO 3.0 to be the base offering.

This is good analysis. I wondered about the 250k too, which is a weird number which makes it a volume part but seemingly (but maybe not? does anyone know current HEMI numbers for Dodge+Ram+Jeep products??) insufficient to fully replace the HEMI? I speculate above that perhaps the factory will scale up from 250k/units as HEMI production winds down, but that's a guess. I agree if it stays at 250k it's hard to make sense of it as anything like a Pentastar + HEMI replacement, but as long as current HEMI sales are 250k+ then almost by default the 250k figure has to be something less than the long-term production level.

I also agree the lack of 2.0 in JT makes this weird. If we're in a world where Stellantis sees this engine as relevant for the next decade and as the core of their 50% internal combustion fleet, it makes a ton of sense in the JL to have it coexist alongside the 2.0 the same way the Grand Cherokee and 1500 had the HEMI alongside the Pentastar. In the JL then the 3.0 would be viable where the HEMI wasn't because 1) it's more efficient and harms CAFE numbers less; and 2) it's positioned against MY23+ competitors which will be increasingly electrified and accordingly have high EV power levels. But where Gladiator fits in, given it never got the 2.0, is more of a mystery. Part of me wonders if the 2.0 rollout has been slower than expected for some reason, and if there isn't some sort of mildly electrified 2.0 powertrain coming to serve as the base 1500, Charger, Challenger, and Grand Cherokee motor. If not then it's harder to see the Pentastar being easily eliminated, and an existent Pentastar seemingly makes the Hurricane less likely for Gladiator

One final prediction: the HO model is going to be effectively the new SRT part, and they're going to build a Hellcat off it later with further turbo and boost improvements. That justifies all the expensive internal changes to the Hurricane to move from SO -> HO power levels (which otherwise aren't all that different), since the changes would need to be made anyways for the future 3.0 Hellcat, and it makes the marketing job easier to justify higher costs and higher margins on the muscle cars without destroying the SO versions' ability to compete with Ford and Chevy.

 

[sunrise089]

I agree.....this engine is gutless. No toque!!! If 90 percent of your customers will put on fat tires then why not put something stronger under the hood. They are lucky Ford didn't make the bronco truck....game over.

1) Corporate fuel economy numbers
2) No good alternatives if the HEMI has packaging, cooling, or just market segmentation issues
3) Few/no examples of Jeep tying trim levels to engine output on Wrangler/Gladiator IIRC
4) Optimistically, they knew the Hurricane was coming and so waited for it. Putting the 392 in the Wrangler looks a lot like what some sports/muscle cars do where a premium priced engine late in a lifecycle is immediately upstaged by the standard engine in the next generation - effectively they're a way to extract $$$$ from enthusiasts for getting a given performance level a year or so early.

And I say that as a current Mojave owner with fat tires who would trade up immediately for a volume-priced V8 or Hurricane Mojave.

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