Weight FYI

[ShadowsPapa]

I never noticed that payload measurement on that sticker on the door jam before. I used the other one and did the math. My Overland is 1019 because it’s a loaded hard top automatic.

Mine is 1030 or 1040, can't recall which without looking. I think they took a picture of me when I ordered and sent that to FCA, thus the lower number on mine than some.

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[PyrPatriot]

Nah this is 100% an executive decision. They already crossed the 6k threshold that puts the truck into a traditional 1/2 ton classification and the GVWR is nearly identical to an F-150 20 years ago.

This is them, like every other OEM, preventing the smaller trucks from siphoning sales from the full-size segment. There are a lot of people who would never look at an F-150 or Silverado if they could stick 2k in the back of a mid-size.

As the payload threads have shown, several folks have put 2000lbs in their truck beds. Consequences unknown

 

[Jaxmax]

Ok so I am confused, but not starting trouble, I understand you can not increase payload with suspension changes. I understand the stickers on my 2021 gas /auto Mojave, to be Gvwr of 6140lbs. and payload of 1129 lbs. I know payload does not include 150lbs. of my weight but fuel and everything else counts as payload. I understand that “perhaps” changing to lighter tires and rims does not increase your payload, but driving across a scale it does decrease you GVW, so should increase payload as they check it on a scale…ok more to this look at your door GVW rating sticker it lists total weight then list front and rear axle GVWR BUT clearly says WITH these rims, these ties and at this tire pressure. So in conclusion my Mojave going across a scales has a suspension system holding the weight and the axles , tires, rims and part of the driveshaft weights are unspurng weight …not really payload. Wait another big but, when the scale people check your weight with the scale under each tire do they really look at the sticker and flunk you if you have lighter wheels and rims.
Yes I mountain bike and kayak fish and use aluminum light weight bike with lowest weight things on it , yes I pay a lot for a carbon kayak paddle that weighs 28oz., but I won’t skip lunch either. Ok boys have at it!….Jack

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Maybe this one should be merged into one of the more massive threads started a couple of years ago because all that can be said has been said. Anything else will be simply repeating what's been said, more opinions to the contrary, new folks chiming in, etc.
Nothing is going to change beyond what's been covered.

clearly says WITH these rims, these ties and at this tire pressure.

As for that, it's not the weight of the rims, it's the weight handling capability and characteristics of those rims. IF you put on certain aftermarket wheels/rims, you have to go by what they handle.
So it doesn't count the weight, that's counting the capability of those rims.
It means - this can handle this assuming these rims are in place - rims that can't handle that load decrease the payload (but rims that can handle more won't increase it)
Been this route before in other forums where wheel replacement was discussed and some had some nice rims - but didn't bother reading the new rims had a lower load rating.

Those rims have been tested to handle that load. That's all that means.

 

[AwesomeDad]

I do have one last question, I have not found in any of my manuals where it says payload is based on 150LB driver, Other makes and models have done that in the past and I think we assume that's the case here but I haven't seen it anywhere. Would be nice if it were true....

JJ

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I do have one last question, I have not found in any of my manuals where it says payload is based on 150LB driver, Other makes and models have done that in the past and I think we assume that's the case here but I haven't seen it anywhere. Would be nice if it were true....

JJ

And with the state of health in America - who the hell picked 150? LOL ?

 

[LostWoods]

As the payload threads have shown, several folks have put 2000lbs in their truck beds. Consequences unknown

I just mean the ratings. Hell the MSO dudes on YouTube put a 200# bumper and 900# camper among a ton of other shit in a Tacoma with a payload rating that is met with just those two items. Engineering margins are a thing but if you're running that heavy, sounds to me like you need to buy more truck.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Engineering margins are a thing but if you're running that heavy, sounds to me like you need to buy more truck.

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[Gatorized]

It doesn’t give you a waiver for 150lbs… The door jamb tag reads “the Combined weight of OCCUPANTS and cargo should not exceed”: that would cover you no matter how big you are…

 

[Gren71]

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Imagining you aggressively hitting they keys for this message makes me giggle.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It doesn’t give you a waiver for 150lbs… The door jamb tag reads “the Combined weight of OCCUPANTS and cargo should not exceed”: that would cover you no matter how big you are…

I know what he means, there have been many posts here, and in Ford forums, Chevy forums, etc. that say payload ratings assume there is a 150 pound driver in the vehicle.
So if you weigh 150 pounds, you don't count yourself. IF you weigh 200, then 50 of that counts against payload.
Even Jeep said it on their web site for a while back in 2019 or early 2020.
I'd bet there's a screenshot of that somewhere. As far as I know, that's since been removed.

Ford people say Ford payloads used to account for a 150 pound driver, but not any more.
There are mixed messages out there and that 150 came from somewhere - so apparently it used to, at least with SOME makes.

Jeep says no - payload means driver, passengers, dog, etc.

But the Jeep site confused people when it posted that it allowed for a 150 pound driver.
And Ford used to say curb weight was the vehicle with all fluids, etc. and a 150 pound driver.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Imagining you aggressively hitting they keys for this message makes me giggle.

Do it a couple of times, then copy and paste a couple of times and you have it. Just some mouse clicks.

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

As the payload threads have shown, several folks have put 2000lbs in their truck beds. Consequences unknown

They didn’t make it unfortunately. R.I.P.

 

[Gren71]

Do it a couple of times, then copy and paste a couple of times and you have it. Just some mouse clicks.

Nope

this is how it went down

nothing you can say will change it

 

[NachoRuby]

just as a reference point my gasser Rubi is almost fully loaded. with hardtop, without the advanced collision / speed control stuff, without trail rail, without smokers and if memory is correct my payload is 960. So options add up fast. I too wish they had a higher payload but its all regulations stuff that limits them.

My gasser Rubi is fairly basic, and also manual, which saves a few pounds. I do have hardtop and metal bumpers, and spray in liner. Mine is 1216.

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