Eco diesel or 3.6 gas??

[NachoRuby]

Your first 4 oil changes are covered. air filter and fuel filter are inexpensive and easy to replace.

what other maintenance? Everything is warrantied until 100k 5/year.

In california right now diesel is 6.04 and regular gas is 6.30 at the station I go to.

So where you are, diesel makes perfect sense financially, since it's cheaper than gas. Here in PA, gas is way cheaper than diesel, so it'll just never make sense to do it to save money. Diesel is $1.50 more per gallon where I live. Wow! How different it is where you are.

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[JET_83]

So where you are, diesel makes perfect sense financially, since it's cheaper than gas. Here in PA, gas is way cheaper than diesel, so it'll just never make sense to do it to save money. Diesel is $1.50 more per gallon where I live. Wow! How different it is where you are.

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[@californiajeeping]

Do you have 76 stations? The renewable diesel (same a #2 but biomass blend) is usually cheaper than comparable #2 and has more cetane and lubricity so a worthwhile stopping point.

It worked out since fuel is so expensive here but diesel is less commonly used by the yuppies so sometimes the price is the same or lower.

 

[gladtohave]

Tank size is irrelevant. You're still going to spend the same amount, no matter how big the tank is, except an extremely large tank would hurt mileage due to weight. You can go longer on a tank of diesel, which might be a factor for some, but it isn't a money saving factor.

I use e15. It's $4.50 per gallon. I drive 20,000 miles per year. I get 18 mpg in mixed driving on 35s (18.5 when I was on the stock 33s)

So 20,000 miles / 18 mpg = 1,111.11 gallons per year x $4.50 per gallon = $5000 per year

Or on regular 87 octane, $4.75 per gallon
1111.11x $4.75 per gallon= $5277.77 per year.

Diesel is $5.99 per gallon here.

20,000 miles / 24 miles per gallon= 833.33 gallons per year, x $5.99 per gallon = $4991.67 per year.

So:
E10 (normal 87 octane) = $5277 per year
E15 (88 octane) = $5000 per year
Diesel = $4991.67 per year.

Diesel is a $2000 upgrade assuming automatic, or $4000 for me, since I'm manual, so it'll not save me any money. It would take me 480 years to brake even on e15, it'd take me 14.01 years to break even on 87 octane. If you're automatic, 240 years and 7.01 years to break even.

I'm not saying don't get the diesel, just that you won't save any money doing so. Do it for the torque.

Now my head hurts !!

 

[ShawnwFL]

I’d imagine the diesel is way more inconvenient with having to add DEF as well

My dealer tops me off on DEF during every oil change, so it’s literally a non factor. Not sure why everyone keeps acting like the DEF is such a burden, even if I didn’t get topped at dealer and had to refill it myself it’s literally an extra 2 minutes of work and $20 every 5k+ miles.

 

[ShawnwFL]

Do you have 76 stations? The renewable diesel (same a #2 but biomass blend) is usually cheaper than comparable #2 and has more cetane and lubricity so a worthwhile stopping point.

It worked out since fuel is so expensive here but diesel is less commonly used by the yuppies so sometimes the price is the same or lower.

Diesel is same price as premium here at buccees, filled up for $4.75/gal last week.

 

[Vtur]

Get the diesel for the power and longer range fuel tank, nothing else. The saving in fuel will just offsets with higher maintenance cost.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Real work exp. I was in for an oil change with my 2020 maxtow sport s (40k miles). Salesman talked me into test driving a 2022 diesel sport s....I started it up and was sold. It was so much smoother and quieter than my 3.6L jeep. Drove it a mile and realized all the faults of the gas motor.

My 2020 Max tow sport s 3.6L got 14.5 MPG in the mountains. I swapped for a 2022 Diesel sport S and regularly get over 24mpg. If you run any larger tires you will get between 10-12mpg on a gas jeep.

Diesels report around 20+ with 37" tires.

If you live on completely flat ground and go 65 then you might see around 20mpg with the gas engine and the difference is narrower. If you climb hills at 80MPH then I recommend the Diesel. It idles along 80-90mph even up grades. My gas jeep would run 4th gear at 5500rpm climbing the sierras and the diesel now goes up at 80 and 2k rpm.

Its so much more relaxed and under stressed.

That said its much more complicated and has significantly more that can go wrong but you get a 100k power-train warranty with the diesel. I had to pay nearly 3k for the extended mopar warranty on the gas jeep for the same coverage. I ended up getting most of that back and rolled it into the trade as a down-payment.

Again if you putt around and live in florida your fine with the gas motor. If you live in the mountains and have high speed freeways get the diesel. I regret not waiting for the diesel in 2021. I would have kept my Gobi gladiator if it had this engine.

I get 17.6 MPG'S on 37 12.5 17 on My Max Tow, have had it up to 18.5 on our trip to the beach. Not 20 but compared to the maintenance on a diesel I'll take my gasser. Plus I can Tow 7600lbs. I don't live on flat ground either, Piedmont/Foothills of NC, about 1 and Half miles from the great smokey mountains. I guess if you run 80 everywhere you go your gonna get crappy gas mileage. Diesel is 5.52 a gallon and regular gas is 4.29 a gallon in my area.

 

[Bjeepz]

Does it get cold where you live? The DEF systems frequently fail in cold weather and can be a major recurring problem.

 

[@californiajeeping]

Does it get cold where you live? The DEF systems frequently fail in cold weather and can be a major recurring problem.

Def systems have a heater and i think there was revised programming to help this issue of it throwing a CEL.

Diesel and DEF can totally freeze if its 30 below....

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

Gas owner here (long story short, get the diesel if you want it).

I don’t think I’ve seen a single person on this forum go from diesel model to gas model, but I sure have seen folks trading in the gas for a diesel.

There are even members that DO have problems with the diesel that don’t regret buying it one bit. It’ll cost more to own like you mentioned but the torque is probably worth it. Especially in the mountains or while crawling.

Now if you don’t mind listening to the gas engine scream at 5000rpm (exaggerated number) up some Blue Ridge mountains there in Georgia, then you’ll be fine with the gas model. Me for example…the high RPMs don’t bother me in my gasser. That being said, if I could do it all over again, I’d probably have the diesel. The forum poll below kinda helped me come to that conclusion.

8.2% of forum members with the diesel have experienced issues with power plant. 122 poll participants isn’t the most reliable population to conclude on but I’d probably roll the dice for 442 lbf-ft of torque.

 

[CerOf]

Transmissions are different? I thought they were the same one just has etorque capabilities the other doesn’t

Diesel is a heavier duty transmission. It is stronger. It is not the same as the gas.

I’d imagine the diesel is way more inconvenient with having to add DEF as well

It’s not a big deal at all. Cleaning my windshield at the gas station is a whipping comparatively.

As for maintenance, my coat of maintenance in 19k miles has been $45 more than my wife’s WK2. The $45 has been for def.

Oil changes will be about $25 more as the filters are more expensive.

In thinking about it, the cost of maintenance isn’t really a big deal at all.

Fuel cost is the same. My last vehicle required premium. Fuel cost is a wash.

 

[NachoRuby]

Diesel is a heavier duty transmission. It is stronger. It is not the same as the gas.


It’s not a big deal at all. Cleaning my windshield at the gas station is a whipping comparatively.

As for maintenance, my coat of maintenance in 19k miles has been $45 more than my wife’s WK2. The $45 has been for def.

Oil changes will be about $25 more as the filters are more expensive.

In thinking about it, the cost of maintenance isn’t really a big deal at all.

Fuel cost is the same. My last vehicle required premium. Fuel cost is a wash.

My last vehicle used premium too. But it got 40 mpg haha ?. But the one before that used premium and got the same gas mileage as my gladiator. But it was fast. I'd definitely look at the diesel if I it came with a stout 6 speed manual, like a Tremec TR-6060. This is probably my last chance to have a 6 speed, so I'm going to enjoy it. Enjoy your diesel though, seriously. Jeep On!

 

[Courtsm3]

Well here is my story

2020 3.6

2021 3.0

And now 2022 3.6.

So yes yes and yes when it comes to the diesel. Great torque, great mpg and slightly more range per tank (about 50km for me) but remember the diesel tank is about 10L less. Def isnt a big deal, its about $20-30 (canadian) every 4-5000km with my driving conditions. The oil changes were easily 4x more though, i did my own and it was still over $200 compared to about $60 with my 3.6. I was also using OE filters for both. Both my gas trucks handled better ( both 3.6’s had mojave susoension, diesel had rubicon suspension). Diesel , you can feel that mass up front and the easy bottom out suspension was kinda frustrating. BUT I would ignore all that, holding 8th on 34” e rated tires and 2.5” lift without breaking a sweat was impressive. It was not voluntarily removed from my possession, so yes I would still be driving it today.

Another thing, with ecodiesel horror stories and overheating issues always played in the back of my mind, it should in yours too. Unfortunately its real.

 

[ScarabMike]

The diesel still tows less than the gas though

Not sure why that's relevant? Most people dont buy the gladiator for anything more than 6K lbs. But I did own 2 jeep Jls, one with the pentastar, and the other with the Pentastar and etourque. This truck and engine package blows them both away.

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