Anyone with over 100k miles on their 3.6 yet ?

[Hootbro]

Wheres that dude who used his gladiator as a chase truck for oversized loads. I'm pretty sure he clocked 130k in one year

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/100-000-mile-gladiator-review.37221/

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[Gren71]

I haven't seen anything that actually refutes the fact that starting your engine more times increases starter wear. So no...not tough to understand.

Not irrational as you stated.

? not the right thread for this brotha, dont want to unintentionally hijack it.

Also not a road worth going down given the already elevated responses to a pretty innocuous comment. Everyone just do whatever you can afford with your own Jt ?

 

[redriderjf87]

? not the right thread for this brotha, dont want to unintentionally hijack it.

Also not a road worth going down given the already elevated responses to a pretty innocuous comment. Everyone just do whatever you can afford with your own Jt ?

Just setting the record straight from what you said brotha ?

It is the right thread, as you just mentioned a few posts ago that you didn't understand the "irrational" hate for ESS. So I wanted to give you a rational example based on logic.

 

[PsyRN]

Just setting the record straight from what you said brotha ?

It is the right thread, as you just mentioned a few posts ago that you didn't understand the "irrational" hate for ESS. So I wanted to give you a rational example based on logic.

this logic about ESS causing premature wear is pretty dated and based on old technologies. So I thought I’d give you a rational example of that.
im not a motor designer or engineer but this guy probably is. I’ll believe him vs. a shade tree/forum mechanic.

“Practical Motoring spoke with the technical boss at a leading car maker who said that stop-start doesn’t cause additional wear and tear on an engine but that the owner must adhere to the recommended service schedule and use the manufacturer’s recommended oil. “Using cheaper oils can cause more damage to your car’s engine than anything else,” he told Practical Motoring. “Operational stop-start causes no wear and tear at all; wear and tear at cold start-up is a thing, though,” he said.”
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/myth-busting-stop-start-damage-engine/

So I’m going to go with ess does not cause excessive wear on a modern motor based on those who actually make them. It’s ok to not like it, but don’t think you’re saving your motor by turning it off.

 

[redriderjf87]

this logic about ESS causing premature wear is pretty dated and based on old technologies. So I thought I’d give you a rational example of that.
im not a motor designer or engineer but this guy probably is. I’ll believe him vs. a shade tree/forum mechanic.

“Practical Motoring spoke with the technical boss at a leading car maker who said that stop-start doesn’t cause additional wear and tear on an engine but that the owner must adhere to the recommended service schedule and use the manufacturer’s recommended oil. “Using cheaper oils can cause more damage to your car’s engine than anything else,” he told Practical Motoring. “Operational stop-start causes no wear and tear at all; wear and tear at cold start-up is a thing, though,” he said.”
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/myth-busting-stop-start-damage-engine/

So I’m going to go with ess does not cause excessive wear on a modern motor based on those who actually make them. It’s ok to not like it, but don’t think you’re saving your motor by turning it off.

Calling someone a shadetree mechanic is emotional (trying to discredit someone's argument by putting a label on them) and not rational in itself.

Your starter motor has X cycles in it before failing. The more cycles you put on it, the sooner it will wear out (some will wear sooner than others).

That is the rational argument for reducing wear on a wear item.

I just wanted to give a rational reason for my position, I will leave it at that.

 

[PsyRN]

Calling someone a shadetree mechanic is emotional (trying to discredit someone's argument by putting a label on them) and not rational in itself.

Your starter motor has X cycles in it before failing. The more cycles you put on it, the sooner it will wear out (some will wear sooner than others).

That is the rational argument for reducing wear on a wear item.

I just wanted to give a rational reason for my position, I will leave it at that.

i just wanted to provide the OP with information about ess, and not blindly believe they are damaging their vehicle via ess, when there’s no proof or risk that they really are with modern engines. That’s being rational.

Also saying someone is a shade tree mechanic is not emotional or irrational, it’s true for the most part on these forums. I include myself in that assessment. Many giving advice/opinions are not professionals. Take it all with a grain of salt.

 

[redriderjf87]

i just wanted to provide the OP with information about ess, and not blindly believe they are damaging their vehicle via ess, when there’s no proof or risk that they really are with modern engines. That’s being rational.

Also saying someone is a shade tree mechanic is not emotional or irrational, it’s true for the most part on these forums. I include myself in that assessment. Many giving advice/opinions are not professionals. Take it all with a grain of salt.

Yeah fair. Also don't want them to blindly believe they are causing 0 additional wear on their engine. No proof of that either.

And provide a logical reason that one might disable ESS.

That's being rational also.

 

[Akgladiator]

this logic about ESS causing premature wear is pretty dated and based on old technologies. So I thought I’d give you a rational example of that.
im not a motor designer or engineer but this guy probably is. I’ll believe him vs. a shade tree/forum mechanic.

“Practical Motoring spoke with the technical boss at a leading car maker who said that stop-start doesn’t cause additional wear and tear on an engine but that the owner must adhere to the recommended service schedule and use the manufacturer’s recommended oil. “Using cheaper oils can cause more damage to your car’s engine than anything else,” he told Practical Motoring. “Operational stop-start causes no wear and tear at all; wear and tear at cold start-up is a thing, though,” he said.”
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/myth-busting-stop-start-damage-engine/

So I’m going to go with ess does not cause excessive wear on a modern motor based on those who actually make them. It’s ok to not like it, but don’t think you’re saving your motor by turning it off.

Anybody who believes start stop does not cause wear and tear in long run, should go back to school. Nothing last forever if u keep at it.

Start stop is one of the epa agenda to gets better fuel economy at the expense of consumers' pockets.

How many threads here about 3.6 engine issues already... 3.6 was not design to have start stop in first generation. Adding a feature on an old design is a receipt for trouble.

 

[Iamstubb]

Not in a JT, but I have a gen 1 in a 2012 Charger with the early ZF 8-speed that just crossed 260k. I have only replaced the battery a couple times, changed alternator for free on a recall, and replaced the oil pressure sensor. Otherwise still running strong and getting sticker mileage. I have noticed a valve knock emerging. Mechanic said let it go. Cheaper to put in a long block when it goes. But hey, 260k.

 

[TroutFishingInAmerica]

this logic about ESS causing premature wear is pretty dated and based on old technologies. So I thought I’d give you a rational example of that.
im not a motor designer or engineer but this guy probably is. I’ll believe him vs. a shade tree/forum mechanic.

“Practical Motoring spoke with the technical boss at a leading car maker who said that stop-start doesn’t cause additional wear and tear on an engine but that the owner must adhere to the recommended service schedule and use the manufacturer’s recommended oil. “Using cheaper oils can cause more damage to your car’s engine than anything else,” he told Practical Motoring. “Operational stop-start causes no wear and tear at all; wear and tear at cold start-up is a thing, though,” he said.”
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/myth-busting-stop-start-damage-engine/

So I’m going to go with ess does not cause excessive wear on a modern motor based on those who actually make them. It’s ok to not like it, but don’t think you’re saving your motor by turning it off.

Everyone is right, we are blessed with a on/off switch. Some have no choice. Sucks the ess battery is in a fucked up spot. Peace Love.

 

[Hootbro]

Everyone is right, we are blessed with a on/off switch. Some have no choice. Sucks the ess battery is in a fucked up spot. Peace Love.

That guy's grumpy sarcasitic Schtick gets a little old after a few videos watching him. Makes me doubt half of what he is saying

 

[TroutFishingInAmerica]

That guy's grumpy sarcasitic Schtick gets a little old after a few videos watching him. Makes me doubt half of what he is saying

It's YouTube crap for sure. I like it. I'm a grumpy old man, now get off my lawn. But seriously my sister has no choice on the Start/Stop on her new ride. We actually have a choice, how cool is that!

 

[Blizzard]

I'll open another thread "has anyone using the Auto Start Stop managed to get to 100k Miles"

 

[@californiajeeping]

I think these engines are capable of 100-150k miles without trouble.

Unfortunately there are definitely some build quality issues. This has been identified in other threads about the wrong lifters being installed in the wrong place and other issues regarding wear of the camshafts and now the throttle body recall and the ECU change mid cycle which is never good.

My 2020 sport s max tow had a rough idle and multiple cylinder misfire issue. It made it to 40k but clearly had an unidentified issue when I traded it in to the dealer on a diesel.

My 2015 wrangler had a 3.6L and got cylinder heads/camshaft and lifter (followers) twice in 36k miles.

My exp with the 3.6L so far has not been good and I swore I would not buy another jeep due to this engine....well the 3.0L has just as many issues but atleast the performance meets expectations now

 

[Advntrbound]

Just got my Gladiator back from getting both passenger side cams, followers and adjustors. It's so smooth and quiet now. I hope the new parts hold up for another 60k!
He threw in a discount and oil change. I threw in a bottle of crown apple! Now I'm ordering a stop/start bypass switch.

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