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That's awesome, but unless you drive a lot or keep it on a tender, you most likely will continue to run into the same issues..... maybe not tomorrow, but eventually. Glad they replaced it for you without any hassle.
Yeah it's not a daily driver, I actually don't care about Start/Stop. I kind of find it annoying so I immediately disable it upon ignition. I've thought about just pulling the fuse but for now I'm just going to ride it out and see what happens.
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How/what do you mean, "gauge out" the IBS ?
Was confused on that as well. Tech explained to me that there an output reading on the ibs in the computer. It needs to read above 84% output from batteries for everything ti work properly. Said he’s changed a dozen or so the last few weeks and they’re either stuck on 60% or 80% output. Makes no diff if batteries are 100%. If output is below 84, ESS will not work.
So either aux battery is bad, or IBS is faulty I gather?!?
 

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Both oem batteries are AGM, yes , both batteries should be fully charged before hooking them back up. The reason for this is that when you disconnected them, you reset the IBS.
Okay, thanks for your response.
 

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Was confused on that as well. Tech explained to me that there an output reading on the ibs in the computer. It needs to read above 84% output from batteries for everything ti work properly. Said he’s changed a dozen or so the last few weeks and they’re either stuck on 60% or 80% output. Makes no diff if batteries are 100%. If output is below 84, ESS will not work.
So either aux battery is bad, or IBS is faulty I gather?!?
Did he explain how to test it ?
 

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Did he explain how to test it ?
He did not. I was going to reach out to @DAVECS1 and see if this could be done with HP?
If not, I am guessing they can do it at the dealer? IDK? I got off the phone, and thought shit, shoulda asked more about that.
 

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I will look next time I am hooked up, the only thing I have at the moment in my channel list is ecm voltage.
 

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So I just had the @! light come on a few days ago. Put new batteries both main and aux in and the light went out. Then I have just read @ShadowsPapa note to fully charge the batteries before I hook them up, which I have already hooked them up and did not charge them. Can I just throw an old lead acid 1 amp charger on there hooked to positive and negative stud on top of IBS as noted above and let that thing charge over night and be good? Just check to see if voltage is more than 12.6 resting (it is usually 12.4 resting in the morning according to dash board gauge before I start it). Or do I need to buy a new Noco 5 or 10 amp charger instead of this old lead acid one? Thanks for the thread and everyone's help.
On the Wrangler forum, a few have reach out to some battery manufacturers and the manufacturers guidance is that it can be harmful to the battery to charge at too low of a rate. Given that a lead acid battery gets charged at a lower rate than an AGM anyway, I would not use a 1 amp lead acid charger. The consensus there seems to be get a 10 amp.
 

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On the Wrangler forum, a few have reach out to some battery manufacturers and the manufacturers guidance is that it can be harmful to the battery to charge at too low of a rate. Given that a lead acid battery gets charged at a lower rate than an AGM anyway, I would not use a 1 amp lead acid charger. The consensus there seems to be get a 10 amp.
Thanks @jebiruph , 10 amps is good to know, I have a Victron blue smart for my camper that will do 15 or 30 amps, any idea if I could use this one instead of the Noco 10 amp? It has a 14.4 v absorption, 13.8 float, and 13.2 storage profile as well as a 14.7 absorption option and the manual stares it is good for AGM.
 

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Thanks @jebiruph , 10 amps is good to know, I have a Victron blue smart for my camper that will do 15 or 30 amps, any idea if I could use this one instead of the Noco 10 amp? It has a 14.4 v absorption, 13.8 float, and 13.2 storage profile as well as a 14.7 absorption option and the manual stares it is good for AGM.
The flip side of the high charge rate is that you can charge the small battery at too high of a rate. I think the recommendation was to charge at around 10% of cranking voltage, but I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly. My experience was that for over three years the charging voltage in my JL was 14.5v and above, and my aux battery never failed. I did a preventative swap out of mine, so now I have a good spare if needed.
 

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The flip side of the high charge rate is that you can charge the small battery at too high of a rate. I think the recommendation was to charge at around 10% of cranking voltage, but I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly. My experience was that for over three years the charging voltage in my JL was 14.5v and above, and my aux battery never failed. I did a preventative swap out of mine, so now I have a good spare if needed.
Thanks again @jebiruph, I have read many threads from you and @ShadowsPapa on this, I am grateful. I saw one from shadowspapa and noticed his charger from Napa so picking that one up today. I will charge the Aux at 2 amps then the main at 10 amps, if I understand correctly I need to do this "not blind" which should mean hook the positive from my charger to the positive main battery connection like normal, then first remove everything from the main negative post and clamp above the IBS with the charger negative clamp to charge aux only, then when aux is full reconnect everything to the negative post, remove the negative wire to the aux, clamp negative charge on top of IBS and charge main until full, then reconnect aux cable. This should charge both batteries independently and not blind if I understand correctly. Then disconnect the IBS from the negative cables and main negative post and let it reset..... I think this is all correct.
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Thanks again @jebiruph, I have read many threads from you and @ShadowsPapa on this, I am grateful. I saw one from shadowspapa and noticed his charger from Napa so picking that one up today. I will charge the Aux at 2 amps then the main at 10 amps, if I understand correctly I need to do this "not blind" which should mean hook the positive from my charger to the positive main battery connection like normal, then first remove everything from the main negative post and clamp above the IBS with the charger negative clamp to charge aux only, then when aux is full reconnect everything to the negative post, remove the negative wire to the aux, clamp negative charge on top of IBS and charge main until full, then reconnect aux cable. This should charge both batteries independently and not blind if I understand correctly. Then disconnect the IBS from the negative cables and main negative post and let it reset..... I think this is all correct.
Again many thanks
Going through the same exact experience, I have a 2a and a 5a charger/maintainer, I was able to change both batteries in parallel with the 5a, just took a while longer, but I obtained a full charge on both batteries and my ESS started working for the first time consistently. It's been several days since the charge, I've barely driven the vehicle..... after a very short distance, my ESS was in the "ready" status. I stopped/restarted atleast 4 times and the system remained in the "ready" status. I still plan on getting the Noco 10, mainly to save a little time and I like that it's got the force charge function. My other two chargers are microprocessor based also, but lack the higher amperage and some of the functionality of the Noco.
Glad you are getting things figured out. So much easier to enjoy the JT, when everything is working properly.
 

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Going through the same exact experience, I have a 2a and a 5a charger/maintainer, I was able to change both batteries in parallel with the 5a, just took a while longer, but I obtained a full charge on both batteries and my ESS started working for the first time consistently. It's been several days since the charge, I've barely driven the vehicle..... after a very short distance, my ESS was in the "ready" status. I stopped/restarted atleast 4 times and the system remained in the "ready" status. I still plan on getting the Noco 10, mainly to save a little time and I like that it's got the force charge function. My other two chargers are microprocessor based also, but lack the higher amperage and some of the functionality of the Noco.
Glad you are getting things figured out. So much easier to enjoy the JT, when everything is working properly.
Thanks @SargeDiesel , agree.
I am far from having any kind of mechanical vehicle experience, but don't appreciate the dealers around me, so I value your response here. I initially was going to charge both together, then read that I might should charge separately. I guess either is good if done correctly.
Your experience with charging both together sounds easier and maybe a better first step for me.
I'm trying to be careful and learn as much as possible.
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Thanks @SargeDiesel , agree.
I am far from having any kind of mechanical vehicle experience, but don't appreciate the dealers around me, so I value your response here. I initially was going to charge both together, then read that I might should charge separately. I guess either is good if done correctly.
Your experience with charging both together sounds easier and maybe a better first step for me.
I'm trying to be careful and learn as much as possible.
Thanks again
Same here, I've been treating the JT with kids gloves, there are a lot of sufisticated systems packed in these vehicles and the electrical system is something not to be played with blindly.... the is A LOT of misinformation floating around and you have to read everything and sort through it. Nothing wrong with asking questions and learning to be able to figure it all out. you are on the right track... and definitely doing it right. I will say this, if @jebiruph gives you advice on the electrical system, you can take it to the bank 100%.
 

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Same here, I've been treating the JT with kids gloves, there are a lot of sufisticated systems packed in these vehicles and the electrical system is something not to be played with blindly.... the is A LOT of misinformation floating around and you have to read everything and sort through it. Nothing wrong with asking questions and learning to be able to figure it all out. you are on the right track... and definitely doing it right. I will say this, if @jebiruph gives you advice on the electrical system, you can take it to the bank 100%.
Thanks for the confidence, not quite 100%, but I do the best I can.
 

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Thanks for the confidence, not quite 100%, but I do the best I can.
You and Rhinebeck01 have helped me tremendously, I appreciate all your help !

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