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My choices at this point is to either get the full size diesel 4x4 for 40k or a JT Sport S with max tow, auto, hard top, and stereo for just over 40k. I am working through that. I have drive the Rubicon, Sport S and Sport S with max tow. I like the truck a lot until i get over 70 MPH, at that point the wandering and wind noise start to irritate me. I plan to drive one with a soft top to see if the wind noise is less. Also the JTs with 4.10 gears are really turning RPMs at 75 MPH with no load. I am very worried about towing 4000 lbs (boat, gear, family) the distances I travel. The Sport is not an option as it is ridiculously under equipped, it doesn't even have power windows, p-locks, a touch screen, or any advance safety features and is still 34,467. Add an auto transmission and hardtop and it is over 37k at invoice price.
I feel ya on this as I have been living with a Jeep for the past 6 years and a lot of your complaints are the same as mine. I'm 90% sure Im going full size but I am waiting it out and seeing what the diesel is like on the hwy as I personally think it will have better drivability.
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If you compare a similarly optioned gladiator, it's usually cheaper, but it should be. But if you compare a loaded out Gladiator to a stripped out tradesman, yeah, it's more expensive but that's not a like for like comparison. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is cross shopping a leather interior loaded out Rubicon with a stripped out tradesman 4x4. And if they are, they don't know what the hell they want.
You can't look at MSRP as no one pays MSRP. Once you factor in incentives the Power Wagon is cheaper across the board. I did the calculations in another thread on here and posted them.
 

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You can't look at MSRP as no one pays MSRP. Once you factor in incentives the Power Wagon is cheaper across the board. I did the calculations in another thread on here and posted them.
If they're giving that much incentives on it, it means nobody is buying them.

If there aren't incentives on the Gladiator, it means people are.

However, incentives and sales price accounts for market factors, msrp and invoice don't, that's what the manufacturers set the price at. So msrp to msrp or invoice to invoice, the Gladiator is cheaper, by often a significant amount. If nobody is buying "more truck" for the same money, then maybe it's not actually "more truck?"
 

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Thanks Vegas, been following your thought process as well.
I understand a little better now - but there are a few puzzling things in there, such as why you want a diesel half ton and why you think 2200rpm on the highway is a lot of rpms on a motor that can turn 6500rpm. It barely knows it's on at 2200rpm.

And I'll save you the time, the soft top will definitely be louder.


The ram tradesman with power wagon package is $49,540 msrp with zero options. Gladiator Rubicon does not start at $61k. That's for a fully loaded out one, they start at $43k (msrp). A crew cab 2500 ram tradesman 4x4 with zero options (no lockers, nothing) is $41k msrp. A crew cab 4x4 Gladiator with no options is $33k.

If you compare a similarly optioned gladiator, it's usually cheaper, but it should be. But if you compare a loaded out Gladiator to a stripped out tradesman, yeah, it's more expensive but that's not a like for like comparison. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is cross shopping a leather interior loaded out Rubicon with a stripped out tradesman 4x4. And if they are, they don't know what the hell they want.
Yes you are correct. I drove a Sport S with a soft top today and it was pretty good on noise until 60 MPH or so, after that the hard top is definitely quieter. To be clear, the heart wants the Gladiator and I have been trying to rationalize why I should get it. If it was a good value that would be a plus. I agree the JT is a good value to those looking for a topless truck with very good off-road capability and even better value if you can buy for below invoice, as the JT is only really competing with it's own MSRP. In my particular situation and after numerous test drives, regardless of how much I prefer the interior functionality and off-road capability of the JT, there are better options for my needs. The half-ton diesels makes sense for me due to the better towing, payload, interior room, bed room, and fuel economy both while towing and on long highway trips. I routinely do 600 mile round trip weekends to hunt and salt-water fish (well over 20 times a year). I like to have the flexibility to tow a small center console over 300 miles to fish different bay systems when the urge strikes me. My Tahoe, Tundra, and my fishing partners ecoboost all get around 11 MPG when towing and between 17 and 21 on the highway, which is far less than the new 3.0 diesels. Outside of the excursions, I prefer to have a mid-size truck for commuting, weekend errands, and to have soft road ability to get to my hunting and wade fishing spots on the bay, thus the dilemma and wandering eye for a JT. But after my 5th test drive of a JT today, I have real concerns about the ergonomic cost to me of keeping it straight on the highway during long trips, wind noise over 75 MPH, tight drivers door room, and engine effort the JT takes to drive over 75 MPH and while towing 4k pounds at highway speeds on an occasional basis. Perhaps the diesel would bring the JT back into consideration, but I am very worried it will be limited to the Rubi trim level with an MSRP of 65k due to options, thus far more than the 40k I will spend (I plan to pay off the truck within two years and retire at 52).
 
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I evaluated several different options as well. And "YES" it is a hard decision. I first compared all the mid-size trucks. I also looked at the full size trucks. I would agree dollar for dollar you can buy a full size truck and get better value or towing or a big V8 if that is more desirable. But you shouldn't try to compare the Gladiator to any fully size truck. You should only compare the Gladiator to all the other mid-size trucks. In that case you are getting more off road capability and a little less riding comfort on the highway. So it boils down to what you want a full size truck or a mid-size truck. Then do you want the best in class towing and offroading capability or highway riding comfort. Independent front suspension is great for the riding comfort but doesn't compare to the solid front axle for four wheeling. I'm not sure there is a lift available to put a 35" tire under a Colorado or Ranger. So if you want more ground clearance go with the Jeep. Jeep waited to see how Ford priced the Ranger before they released the Gladiator pricing. I believe the pricing was set with what will the market bare for a best in class JEEP trade name. But there is a wide variance of pricing from a bare bones Sport to a fully loaded Rubicon. The bottom line trade-off decision are difficult. (PERIOD) I have owned seven Jeeps so I guess I am just stuck in the rut... pun intended! ;)
 
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I evaluated several different options as well. And "YES" it is a hard decision. I first compared all the mid-size trucks. I also looked at the full size trucks. I would agree dollar for dollar you can buy a full size truck and get better value or towing or a big V8 if that is more desirable. But you shouldn't try to compare the Gladiator to any fully size truck. You should only compare the Gladiator to all the other mid-size trucks. In that case you are getting more off road capability and a little less riding comfort on the highway. So it boils down to what you want a full size truck or a mid-size truck. Then do you want the best in class towing and offroading capability or highway riding comfort. Independent front suspension is great for the riding comfort but doesn't compare to the solid front axle for four wheeling. I'm not sure there is a lift available to put a 35" tire under a Colorado or Ranger. so if you want more ground clearance go with the Jeep. Jeep waited to see how Ford priced the Ranger before they released the Gladiator pricing. I believe the pricing was set with what will the market will bare for a best in class JEEP trade name. But there is a wide variance of pricing from a bare bones Sport to a fully load Rubicon. The bottom line trade-off decision are difficult. (PERIOD) I have owned seven Jeeps so I guess I am just stuck in the rut... pun intended! ;)
Just can’t beat the GLADIATOR BAD ASS LOOK AND RIDE LOL. I have the Rangers and lifted them and you can get a 6 inch lift to accommodate 35s. I went with the 2 inch leveling kit and did 33s. If you look closely I have my Rubicon Gladiator 33s on my Blue Ranger. My Rangers are excellent trucks and a lot of fun but my Gladiator is just awesome and over the top looks and truck feel ride. And I have owned every truck under the sun lol and the Jeep Gladiator is my new favorite. And I just recently sold my Ford Raptor 2018 which she was the baddest of the trucks I have ever owned.
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And breaking news the future diesel option will be kicking everyone’s ass ohhh this ain’t good this will make me buy another Gladiator with the diesel set up lol.
 

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Just can’t beat the GLADIATOR BAD ASS LOOK AND RIDE LOL. I have the Rangers and lifted them and you can get a 6 inch lift to accommodate 35s. I went with the 2 inch leveling kit and did 33s. If you look closely I have my Rubicon Gladiator 33s on my Blue Ranger. My Rangers are excellent trucks and a lot of fun but my Gladiator is just awesome and over the top looks and truck feel ride. And I have owned every truck under the sun lol and the Jeep Gladiator is my new favorite. And I just recently sold my Ford Raptor 2018 which she was the baddest of the trucks I have ever owned.
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nice, thanks for the user perspective.
 

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For some reason the bed on the Ranger looks like an after thought to me. Can't quite put my finger on why, it just looks...off.
 

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For some reason the bed on the Ranger looks like an after thought to me. Can't quite put my finger on why, it just looks...off.
Anything less than a 6' foot bed looks strange to me.
 

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@lrtexasman that's sort of what you have been heading toward all along, if I read you correctly. You won't make a mistake following your gut, although you may get a twinge when the ones you don't buy cruise by. These decisions are so well thought out over time, you'll be happy and that's what's important. I'm in the drive Jeep buy jeep camp, so if you drove one day, went back again to test a soft top, and you aren't sold, you might want to drive the other ones just to be sure? Life is a box of chocolates.
 

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Just another thread that dissolves from the original intent and goes sideways.

So bring it back on topic....... it seems the Gladiator is stealing sales from the JL exactly what FCA feared. The end game is to have other models trade over to your make and model... It seems for now that is not the case.

And watch those residuals on the leases fall like leaves in fall..........
 

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The end game is to have other models trade over to your make and model...
Jeep would have lower their prices for this to happen in significant numbers . . .
 

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Just another thread that dissolves from the original intent and goes sideways.

So bring it back on topic....... it seems the Gladiator is stealing sales from the JL exactly what FCA feared. The end game is to have other models trade over to your make and model... It seems for now that is not the case.

And watch those residuals on the leases fall like leaves in fall..........
The local dealers around me are starting to run ads on the JT indicating they have upcoming deliveries of anywhere between 40 and 120 JTs in the coming weeks. That should help ease pricing and perhaps open up to affiliate pricing come September or so.
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