Broken Frame

[SoK66]

How much does that seating setup weigh without people sitting in it? Metal tubing isn't light...

Plus 6 passengers would add 1,000 lbs or more....

it’s about 250 pounds.

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[Escape.idiocracy]

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[dawghauler]

You said you put a jeep 2inch lift on a max tow guess what you just negated the carrying capacity of the max tow. The weight carrying capacity is now less than it was in the stock form

 

[Zachanadandy]

You said you put a jeep 2inch lift on a max tow guess what you just negated the carrying capacity of the max tow. The weight carrying capacity is now less than it was in the stock form

Changing out the springs won't change one way or the other if the frame is going to fold like a taco though? Sure you could argue the springs weight carrying capacity, although I'll bet money the lift springs have a higher rate and therefore a higher load carrying capacity.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You said you put a jeep 2inch lift on a max tow guess what you just negated the carrying capacity of the max tow. The weight carrying capacity is now less than it was in the stock form

Well, yes and no. It's more TOWING capacity that is impacted. Yeah, lifting it means it's not going to handle, brake or steer the same - worse, in fact, but for sheer load carrying with the type of non-street driving they are doing, they've got other issues.

 

[SoK66]

You said you put a jeep 2inch lift on a max tow guess what you just negated the carrying capacity of the max tow. The weight carrying capacity is now less than it was in the stock form

Don’t think so we added3”of wheel travel, higher rated springs & shocks. BUT, if you bottom out the suspension often enough you’ll bent the frame over the bump stop regardless.

 

[dawghauler]

Most lift springs are either duel or triple rate springs the top portion of the spring collapses and basically forms a spacer providing the lift, Then the last of the spring is the weight bearing section (single rate)Jeep factory lift springs are designed for the rubicon thus having less weight carrying capacity than the max tow. Check this with any of the companies that manufacture lifts. Almost all of them offer a heavy duty spring for carrying additional loads but they cost extra and have to be requested at time of purchase. For instance Clayton offers a spring for carrying additional weight ie roof top and trailers.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Most lift springs are either duel or triple rate springs the top portion of the spring collapses and basically forms a spacer providing the lift, Then the last of the spring is the weight bearing section (single rate)Jeep factory lift springs are designed for the rubicon thus having less weight carrying capacity than the max tow. Check this with any of the companies that manufacture lifts. Almost all of them offer a heavy duty spring for carrying additional loads but they cost extra and have to be requested at time of purchase. For instance Clayton offers a spring for carrying additional weight ie roof top and trailers.

The only correct part of your post is that SOME lift springs are multi rate. Being the OP specified mopar lift, a quick Google search will show you they are single rate springs. HD springs designed not to sag under increased load will have even higher rates, but again I guarantee the lift springs have a higher rate than the max tow springs period. That's how they provide the lift.

 

[dawghauler]

No matter how it is sliced he’s over weight for the springs. 2 inch mopar spring is rated at 180 pounds but is longer than a standard spring a max tow spring is in the upper 200’s and is about 1 inch shorter Clayton’s hd is 360 pounds on the main spring and in the middle is in the 200’s.
Did a lot of research before I lifted my max tow so I could keep the carrying and towing capacity on mine.

 

[dawghauler]

Let the internet and research be your guide and read on read on as what’s given in one paragraph can be taken away in the next. Research is your friend not the internet warrior’s

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The only correct part of your post is that SOME lift springs are multi rate. Being the OP specified mopar lift, a quick Google search will show you they are single rate springs. HD springs designed not to sag under increased load will have even higher rates, but again I guarantee the lift springs have a higher rate than the max tow springs period. That's how they provide the lift.

Length, too..... per Synergy. Yes, they are dual rate, but the top part does not collapse under weight once installed because the first bit pretty much matches the stock loaded Rubicon spring. they have extra length.
Overlland springs are longer than max tow springs, yet are "softer", lower rate springs. Putting the much shorter max tow springs under the rear of my first Overland didn't change the height due to the extra spring rate over the Overland springs.
Two ways to get lift - higher rate, thus stiffer so they don't settle as much with the exact same weight on top, or length - like under mine - much longer than stock springs, providing lift and yet they are still a lower rate for one of the two rates they have.
They are so much longer, they required a compressor to get them in without disconnecting wires and brake lines and so on.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Length, too..... per Synergy. Yes, they are dual rate, but the top part does not collapse under weight once installed because the first bit pretty much matches the stock loaded Rubicon spring. they have extra length.
Overlland springs are longer than max tow springs, yet are "softer", lower rate springs. Putting the much shorter max tow springs under the rear of my first Overland didn't change the height due to the extra spring rate over the Overland springs.
Two ways to get lift - higher rate, thus stiffer so they don't settle as much with the exact same weight on top, or length - like under mine - much longer than stock springs, providing lift and yet they are still a lower rate for one of the two rates they have.
They are so much longer, they required a compressor to get them in without disconnecting wires and brake lines and so on.

Not to doubt people's info, but if the max tow springs are really 280lb/in and the mopar lift springs are only 180lb, they'd have to be nearly 6" longer free length to provide 2" of lift. Yes they are longer by several inches but something doesn’t add up. It is harder than it should be to get reliable spring rate info for both factory and aftermarket springs but I still argue the aftermarket spring will support more weight before coil bind than even the max tow.

 

[IdahoRubicon]

GUYS, we get it, he's possibly over max weight.

Just because he is at or slightly above max payload, the frame shouldn't be bending and cracking. Stop defending Jeeps shitty design.

I have overloaded numerous Fords, some very much so, and never bent a frame.

I've seen a multitude of Fords run at max weight, or over, bouncing around West Texas oil fields with maniacs driving them and not one bent frame.
I personally sent one over a washed out cattle gap in New Mexico one night that I didn't see til last minute, and just new I totaled the truck, but nope it was fine, even the alignment check came back A-ok.

Stop defending Jeep, we've seen many of these things bent on the web, with relatively low load and stress of what it should hold up to.

 

[AstroZombie]

Train Recon was at a shop In Escondido that installed frame supports for these. it's a common failure

 

[AstroZombie]

Train Recon was at a shop In Escondido that installed frame supports for these. it's a common failure

I don't remember the episode.

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