Diesel owners; do you regret you engine choice?

[Davekayc]

Motortrend spewed some erroneous garbage for sure.

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[Gohan2374]

Have seen a lot of references to warranty here, but nobody seems to have read the actual text. The EGR system is excluded from the "power train" warranty and is only covered for 24mos/24k miles.

For this reason I picked up a 6yr/unlimited mile warranty. The cost was just over $2,500 (got it for $100 over dealer cost) so it made perfect sense to me.

https://msmownerassets.z13.web.core...Gladiator/P113878_21_J_D_GW_EN_US_DIGITAL.pdf

Per the manual
Federal law requires FCA US LLC to warrant the following emissions parts for two years or 24,000 miles, whichever occurs first.

FCA US LLC covers all of these parts under the Basic Limited Warranty for three years or 36,000 miles, whichever occurs first.

Did you buy your warranty from jeep ? Or a outside co

 

[CrazyCooter]

3400 miles and love mine! Idles up the hills and fuel economy with 37's is mid 20's

Been driving the 3.8s and 3.6s at work for the past 15 years and even rented a JK in Death Valley for 4 days......These experiences kept me waiting witill now to buy a new Jeep! As soon as I drove the Ecodiesel, I had to have a JT!

 

[TommyGp]

It's covered for 3 years/36k, which is in that first paragraph.

Still, not a long time...

Good catch, but I find it interesting they specifically call out a shorter duration for those components later. Maybe that's just the minimum required by the gov't?

I still think adding 3 years and unlimited miles to coverage was a good fit for me.

 

[TommyGp]

Per the manual
Federal law requires FCA US LLC to warrant the following emissions parts for two years or 24,000 miles, whichever occurs first.

FCA US LLC covers all of these parts under the Basic Limited Warranty for three years or 36,000 miles, whichever occurs first.

Did you buy your warranty from jeep ? Or a outside co

Someone pointed that out as well. Guess I failed to understand that.

Regardless, I felt the extra warranty time was appropriate for me. I got it through the dealer, but it's from a warranty company that I cannot recall the name of and don't have the papers nearby.

 

[Gohan2374]

Someone pointed that out as well. Guess I failed to understand that.

Regardless, I felt the extra warranty time was appropriate for me. I got it through the dealer, but it's from a warranty company that I cannot recall the name of and don't have the papers nearby.

yes Saw that after I posted Didn't mean any disrespect to your post .Glad you're able to find a warranty you were happy with my dealer didn't offer anything but the jeep warranty , You''ll probably make out pretty well with the warranty if you ever have to use it.

 

[Mac]

Someone pointed that out as well. Guess I failed to understand that.

Regardless, I felt the extra warranty time was appropriate for me. I got it through the dealer, but it's from a warranty company that I cannot recall the name of and don't have the papers nearby.

I would be wary of 3rd party warranties, that's a lot of money, why not OEM extended warranty?

 

[WXman]

Well, I think the main issue that scared people away from the EcoDiesel was the horrible reputation of the Gen 2 engine. Those have been a complete nightmare. Everything from oil leaks to blown engines to dead fuel systems to failed turbos to clogged up EGR systems and whatever else you can think of. Just horrible engines. So going into the Gen 3 purchase, the obvious elephant in the room was/is: "Will this version be a better engine?"

That is impossible to answer because they've only been on the market for 18 months (less in the Jeep application). So, to answer the OP's question: I don't know yet whether I regret my choice, and I doubt that anybody else here knows yet either.

So, all we can speak to is the current level of happiness with the engine while it's still new. And after 15,000 miles towing heavy, driving unpaved roads, commuting to work and back, lots of city driving, interstate trips, etc.....I would *as of right now* have to say that I do not regret the diesel.

Will you save ANY money going with the EcoD? No. The upfront cost, extra price for the fuel, DEF, 5x more expensive oil changes, 15k fuel filter changes, minimal difference in fuel economy vs the gas choice.....no you will never save money. You'll SPEND money to have the diesel. Can you haul as much? No. Can you tow as much? No. There is no objective way to say that the EcoDiesel is the better choice.

The diesel is purely a subjective choice. The torque feels good. The sound of the turbo whistling gently under light throttle is music to the ears. Pulling into the diesel pump with the big boys and striking up conversations with people who've never seen a diesel Jeep or light duty Ram is neat. It's all a part of the experience....just like owning a Jeep at all.

I've decided that if I go back to a Gladiator this coming fall, it'll be diesel. The only thing that'll change my mind is if they offer a gas V8. I would take a gas V8 over a diesel six days a week and twice on Sunday because then you could have the power AND simplicity/inexpensiveness combined.
It's not something that makes sense. It's something you buy just because you want it.

 

[hobbsserv]

Well, I think the main issue that scared people away from the EcoDiesel was the horrible reputation of the Gen 2 engine. Those have been a complete nightmare. Everything from oil leaks to blown engines to dead fuel systems to failed turbos to clogged up EGR systems and whatever else you can think of. Just horrible engines. So going into the Gen 3 purchase, the obvious elephant in the room was/is: "Will this version be a better engine?"

That is impossible to answer because they've only been on the market for 18 months (less in the Jeep application). So, to answer the OP's question: I don't know yet whether I regret my choice, and I doubt that anybody else here knows yet either.

So, all we can speak to is the current level of happiness with the engine while it's still new. And after 15,000 miles towing heavy, driving unpaved roads, commuting to work and back, lots of city driving, interstate trips, etc.....I would *as of right now* have to say that I do not regret the diesel.

Will you save ANY money going with the EcoD? No. The upfront cost, extra price for the fuel, DEF, 5x more expensive oil changes, 15k fuel filter changes, minimal difference in fuel economy vs the gas choice.....no you will never save money. You'll SPEND money to have the diesel. Can you haul as much? No. Can you tow as much? No. There is no objective way to say that the EcoDiesel is the better choice.

The diesel is purely a subjective choice. The torque feels good. The sound of the turbo whistling gently under light throttle is music to the ears. Pulling into the diesel pump with the big boys and striking up conversations with people who've never seen a diesel Jeep or light duty Ram is neat. It's all a part of the experience....just like owning a Jeep at all.

I've decided that if I go back to a Gladiator this coming fall, it'll be diesel. The only thing that'll change my mind is if they offer a gas V8. I would take a gas V8 over a diesel six days a week and twice on Sunday because then you could have the power AND simplicity/inexpensiveness combined.
It's not something that makes sense. It's something you buy just because you want it.

Perfectly summed up. I have no need to read beyond this post on the subject.

 

[Gladiator_92]

Because of torque. HP is the rate(over time) at which work, torque, is produced. HP is the salesman's version of penis envy. Need proof? Why does HD not publish HP numbers? Because a modern 600cc motorcycle "makes" more power on paper but the HD comes off the line like a cannon shot but goes flat above 70 or so.

Yes, I agree. I was just commenting that the gas engine is not faster than the diesel (because of torque).

 

[ssteve]

I'd like to see it, the eco diesel is no cummins or power stroke. If you are happy, who cares, all I know is that for me, in my area, the eco would be like flushing $4k down the toilet or lighting my backyard fire pit 40 times with a $100 bill. Fuel mileage economy is not enough better to cover the higher fuel cost of def and diesel let alone with the oh no I gotta go drive hard to regen for an extra 20 minutes home, wasting time and fuel.
I love diesel's, love money more... ecodiesel's lose EVERYTIME in cost of ownership alone. If this article has been disproven please provide citations, I would like to read them, I have an open mind.... please provide the who, what, where and when

No, you like justifying your purchase.

37's, a rack, full gear, high elevation and the mini van motor doesn't cut it. $4000 for 182 ft lbs more torque that's covered under warranty is easy to justify. There's a reason plenty of people Upgrade to the diesel and no one downgrades. I'll gladly take my chances with unknown reliability over owning a 5k lbs truck with 260 ft lbs and known reliability issues.

 

[ssteve]

I'm at 93,000 miles on my 2015 EcoDiesel. So far, the only thing that I've had to replace (emissions related) was a clogged DEF injector and EGR cooler. The EGR cooler was replaced under a recall and the DEF injector was replaced under warranty. I now run the Platinum DEF which is designed to minimize deposits.

So far, the emissions systems on the EcoDiesel appear to be pretty durable. As long as you run a good quality oil (low ash) and fuel additives, your emissions system should last a very long time.

Any future repairs is still cheaper than buying a new vehicle and/or making payments. Back in May of 2020, I started saving $250 per month to put towards future repairs. I already have $3,000 saved up, that's nearly 1/2 the price of a new engine!

What fuel additives are you running and what's your schedule your using?

 

[Oil_Burner]

I’d love to see diesel up against the gas and run them up a mountain; say the Davis dam or I-70 west out of Denver.
I think diesel wouldwin by more than a few lengths.
You’re talking a 25hp difference but what, over 100tq?

I was able to accelerate at will on I-70 in CO.

PS Diesel clocks in 0.3 seconds faster to 60.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mo...ep-gladiator-ecodiesel-first-test-review/amp/

"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races"
-- Carroll Shelby

 

[riggsdr]

Me: Lifetime Jeep owner, farmer with lots of Diesel driving, have a JTRD, do moderate towing.

If someone starts yammering about justifying (or not) the diesel on the cost-effective basis, they have missed the point so hard you can hear the "woosh" through the internet.

The tow/payload ratings are what they are: legal protection for Stellantis.

The 3.0 is more fun to drive, more responsive on the highway, and better (more at ease) at towing. It is an upgrade to the driving experience. Anyone who says otherwise is entitled to their opinion, but their opinion is wrong in my opinion!

Time will tell on reliability. I had the DEF warnings during the polar vortex a month or two ago, but they went away when it warmed up. Other than that, the Jeep has been flawless.

 

[redrider]

What rpm is max torque for the gasser? At the same rpm, how much torque does the Diesel produce? Apply the Diesel torque output to the formula and what is the HP? Inquiring minds want to know.

My choice would be for a larger, more powerful gas V6 or 8 but not over 5.0 designed for a supercharger or equipped OEM. The cost of ownership of the Diesel is my kryptonite. Diesel is also on the EPA/worldwide black list. Only a matter of time before the DEF remedy will not be enough for the enviro nazis.

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