Ecodiesel power derating as temps rise?

[safarjohn]

Been awhile since visiting this post...mine was the second reply with a legacy account (had a security breach on my end).

In any case, I did install the Insane Diesel remote filter, with fabricated hardware, and a fan-boosted air/oil intercooler, similar to what Insane introduced sometime later. Pulled the 28' Airstream from here to Delores, CO, this past June. At 62 mph, oil temps did not exceed 242f on grade, average 235f. For me, the SB scoops, proper gearing, and the oil cooler, have allowed use of the rig without excessive heatup.

This is great info! What is the dry weight of your Airstream?

Looking at insane diesel, looks like the two kits below are what I will need to complete the oil cooler setup:

OilCooler/Fan:

https://insanediesel.com/products/oil-cooler-upgrade-kit

Oil Bypass kit:

https://insanediesel.com/collection...gler-3-0l-ecodiesel-bypass-oil-filtration-kit

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[WesternJeep401]

As for the truck cooler/filter configuration, see attachments. The kit was for the Ram, Summit Racing provided the fan/cooler, Bamazon for the hydraulic hose/AN 6 connection set. The fan is on switch group "4". Be advised, should you opt for the filter cap versus pressure sender tap, you must use the GEN 2 oil filter (Baldwin, as shown; both it and the current GEN 3 filter pictured.) Relocating the Glow Plug Control Module, power steering fluid tank, engine cooling fan high-current connector, and fabrication of a simple strut was required. Torque the secondary oil filter top TO SPEC, bring the engine up to operating temp, then allow to fully cool-down overnight, then check the secondary oil filter cap top again, tightening if needed. I keep a 3/8" hex in the truck just for that purpose.

The Insane filtration setup is in parallel with the lube oil circuit, in other words, it uses a portion of the total oil capacity per "circuit" run, not unlike an old "add-on" or OE oil filtration on engines from the 30's-50's, although the Insane setup is exposed to full lube oil system pressure. It is an excellent secondary oil filtration system, providing an effective means of oil cooling for my needs. I remove the decorative trim over the cooler when towing.

 

[RandyP111]

All good, I responded too and apologize for my remarks! I’m with you on no patience…..Wyoming looks more appealing to move to because no one lives there!!!

I do. More Antelope than people.

 

[NCJL]

Bought a new oil pan. Added 4-3/8 bung for oil return from Insane/cooler line, future temp sensor and 12v oil pump with cooler if necessary.
I thought the return from oil bypass filter would be more efficient going straight into the pan.
So far seems very positive. Update with some real world info soon.

Update.
This is working very well. Haven’t seen an oil temp above 230* not towing. Before the mods 248* was normal peak. I have been driving it more aggressively with mods for testing.
I have also got to tow my trailer recently. Weighs about 4K. I did see oil temp peak for for less than a minute @242* doing 75mph up a mile long steep grade.
Temps above are with the oil cooler fan turned off. I haven’t needed it so I kinda forgot to turn it on when towing.
The fan on/off is worth about 7*.
I want to also say this EcoDiesel has lots power straight from the factory. Very impressed. Very happy.

 

[WesternJeep401]

This is great news. Excellent work and information for EcoD owners!

 

[A 2]

Update.
This is working very well. Haven’t seen an oil temp above 230* not towing. Before the mods 248* was normal peak. I have been driving it more aggressively with mods for testing.
I have also got to tow my trailer recently. Weighs about 4K. I did see oil temp peak for for less than a minute @242* doing 75mph up a mile long steep grade.
Temps above are with the oil cooler fan turned off. I haven’t needed it so I kinda forgot to turn it on when towing.
The fan on/off is worth about 7*.
I want to also say this EcoDiesel has lots power straight from the factory. Very impressed. Very happy.

Damn, that little trailer weighs 4k? What’s in it? What single axle suspension setup do you have on it.

 

[NCJL]

Damn, that little trailer weighs 4k? What’s in it? What single axle suspension setup do you have on it.

Yep. Thats a long story. I wrote a book about it on the JL site. Link Attached.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...xpedition-purchasing-experience-review.75590/

 

[Madtom]

Just got a reply from Tilton. They do not recommend their oil pump in my application (Pumping 200* plus engine oil). They recommended I find a billet aluminum pump.
Quickest response from a manufacturer I can remember getting.

I asked RB racing as folks use their pumps to feed and scavenge turbos remotely. they said 230F was no problem. they use helical cut bronze gears in their pumps

https://www.rbracing-rsr.com/oilsystems.htm

 

[steelponycowboy]

The mods are all great but all of them will void your warranty according to the service manager at my dealership. He said warranty claims are Jeeps biggest expense and they look for reasons to deny warranty claims. He said their attorneys have nothing better to do than to sit back and stall until you give up. What BS but I found out it is true, they denied a claim on my electronic sway bar disconnect, long story but I find myself fighting Detroit now to get this issue fixed.

 

[NCJL]

I asked RB racing as folks use their pumps to feed and scavenge turbos remotely. they said 230F was no problem. they use helical cut bronze gears in their pumps

https://www.rbracing-rsr.com/oilsystems.htm

What I have done is working. No need to add an oil pump.

 

[mrmo]

This is great news. Excellent work and information for EcoD owners!

You said 4-3/8 bung?

 

[NCJL]

You said 4-3/8 bung?

Think this was directed at me. 4 was just as easy as 3. 4 flat spots on the pan. Not sure if the skid plate (future) would interfere with any of the locations.

 

[Hondo1]

Methanol/water injection has been mentioned a couple of times in the past on this thread. I’m curious if anyone ever actually did it and if it helped at all with our cooling issues?

 

[Oilburner]

This is probably just another frivolous post, if this teaser is a Wagoneer/Early Gladiator front end w/ a razor grill, possible it could make more room for airflow to cool?

 

[@californiajeeping]

Methanol/water injection has been mentioned a couple of times in the past on this thread. I’m curious if anyone ever actually did it and if it helped at all with our cooling issues?

I have done some minor testing. I tried spraying into my afe tubes but the engine would not take even the small nozzle below 2500rpm. Thus I couldn’t really test up steep hills. I’m going to use the digital controller this summmer and play with it more. I also want to try a intercooler sprayer.

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