Ford Laying off 70% of EV Lightning employees [LOCKED DUE TO FIGHTING & POLITICS]

[redriderjf87]

Raise the price as needed to be to actually make a profit and let customers buy as they see worth it.

And you'll have your answer from there...

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[JRobes]

Once the batteries reach end of life, and they will, what happens to them?

There are battery recycling centers that break down battery packs (of all types and sizes) to extract the rare metals/materials in them for reusing in new manufacturing processes. I'm not sure how efficient the recycling process is (and if it needs to be gov subsidized to make it worth it for companies to do), but as long as battery manufacturers are being thoughtful of recycling down the line, I think it may be viable.

 

[redriderjf87]

I definitely asked for EVs. Better than funding oil shieks.

Buying a gas car doesn't require funding oil shieks. There are other ways to get it. Proceed

 

[ErylFlynn]

There are battery recycling centers that break down battery packs (of all types and sizes) to extract the rare metals/materials in them for reusing in new manufacturing processes. I'm not sure how efficient the recycling process is (and if it needs to be gov subsidized to make it worth it for companies to do), but as long as battery manufacturers are being thoughtful of recycling down the line, I think it may be viable.

Recycling requires energy. That is the problem, that would be less of a problem if we had fusion or got over the irrational fear of nuclear power. A switch to nuclear gives us the power we need until fusion or something else matures.

Then we could power all the EVs we want.

 

[Hootbro]

I really get tired of govt. mandates that fail to acknowledge future realities thinking the present is going to sort the future out.

 

[Jaybre007]

The person triggered is you. It is a fact that Ford loses 36k per truck. No company can survive that.

Pure EV's suck in every respect. Hybrids though seem to work quite well. They still have the battery manufacturing issues, but at least they work, and work well.

ok I agreed up to a point. Pure EVs do not suck in every way. Have you ever driven one? Have you ever felt pure torque and the blissful silence. I like loud pipes on motorcycles and cars/trucks with good sounding engine notes for a while.... but when you got a headache or want to listen to just how far engineering has come take a ride in an EV. I think the technology is fascinating in how the car uses all the technology and preheats or precools the vehicle and the abundance of information it spits out to the drive. That being said, range, adverse weather, charging, battery life, insurance, accidents, and the destruction of the earth to make the damn things are what sucks.

 

[WILDHOBO]

No, it is you who is misinformed. China employs slave labor in its rare earth mines, primarily Uighers.

Net metering means you are using the grid to recharge your EV.

33 modules and only 14.4kw? That's pretty sucky. How many years old is the system? .05% a year degradation has taken your 14.4 down from installation. Do you live in the desert? That will help, but if you are upper lattitudes that would add years to your repayment time.

Do you have a battery backup system?

My friend installs solar so I know quite a bit about it. Sadly, for where I live it doesn't pencil out.

Net metering does not mean the grid is used to charge. It means when the solar array overproduces, the excess goes back to the grid, specifically to your neighbors, making it less expensive for power companies to provide power to the grid. Solar users contribute to power for everyone. Read a book.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

ok I agreed up to a point. Pure EVs do not suck in every way. Have you ever driven one? Have you ever felt pure torque and the blissful silence. I like loud pipes on motorcycles and cars/trucks with good sounding engine notes for a while.... but when you got a headache or want to listen to just how far engineering has come take a ride in an EV. I think the technology is fascinating in how the car uses all the technology and preheats or precools the vehicle and the abundance of information it spits out to the drive. That being said, range, adverse weather, charging, battery life, insurance, accidents, and the destruction of the earth to make the damn things are what sucks.

Yes, I have, and yes, I was being hyperbolic there. EV's have their place. They can be very useful in a urban environment where charging isn't an issue.

My biggest problem has always been if they are so great, government should not need to require people to buy them.

The fact that government is forcing them on people tells me that they aren't so great. So I have done some research to find out why.

First up is the fact that no infrastructure is being built to support the millions of EV's that they want us to buy.

Second is the toxicity of the battery manufacturing, and the pollution caused by the mining, transport, and production of entire system. ALL of which uses fossil fuels.

Third is longevity. No EV is going to be on the road in 40 years. They have a set lifespan, and then you toss them. I have friends who regularly drive cars and trucks that are 80 years old.

Fourth is fragility. Even minor damage to an EV is sometimes enough to total it. It's a bad enough problem that some insurance companies are beginning to not cover them.

And last is overall utility. I can take any of my normal cars and use them at will, for anything I choose, at any time, and drive 600 miles in a day, and not have to wait hours for a recharge.

And I can do that every day, endlessly.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Net metering does not mean the grid is used to charge. It means when the solar array overproduces, the excess goes back to the grid, specifically to your neighbors, making it less expensive for power companies to provide power to the grid. Solar users contribute to power for everyone. Read a book.

You supply power to the grid during the day, when you produce it, but then get power from the grid, at night, when you are not capable of producing power.

Most EV charging is done at night when no solar power is available.

Makes sense, people work during the day. Tesla super chargers are an exception, but there you can only use them so many times before they damage your battery system. Charging to 80% is one of the ways they keep from damaging the battery.

 

[WILDHOBO]

You supply power to the grid during the day, when you produce it, but then get power from the grid, at night, when you are not capable of producing power.

Most EV charging is done at night when no solar power is available.

Makes sense, people work during the day. Tesla super chargers are an exception, but there you can only use them so many times before they damage your battery system. Charging to 80% is one of the ways they keep from damaging the battery.

People constantly incorrectly say that solar puts more wear and tear on the grid. It’s ridiculous. It decreases it by providing power to neighboring properties at shorter distances, therefore allowing the utility to not need to send as much power across the grid.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

People constantly incorrectly say that solar puts more wear and tear on the grid. It’s ridiculous. It decreases it by providing power to neighboring properties at shorter distances, therefore allowing the utility to not need to send as much power across the grid.

I have never said that. I don't recall seeing anyone else ever saying it either. If I lived where solar would work for me I would get it in a second. It just doesn't. I only have 5 months a year where I would get full benefit, so my payback period is very long.

That being said, if the prices come down some more, I will happily buy a system.

 

[TheRealStreetcommander]

We are losing sight of the forests with all this chatter back and forth. Let's get back on track.

EVs can be very very fast. That is the only neat thing about them --and they sound like garbage doing the one thing they do really well. Otherwise, they are lifeless, vanilla, soul sucking, utensils that lower a mans testosterone while simultaneously causing prostate cancer. They are antithetical to everything which makes the automobile truly special. EVs are the functional equivalent of a common bathroom toilet and have absolutely no right being expensive. We used to call EVs golfcarts. They were much cooler as golfcarts.

Where I live on the east coast, they are the trump card of virtue signaling for the do-nothing elitists. They most often share a garage next to another lifeless and boring utensil such as a Toyota Camry, Honda CRV, or Subaru Crosstrek.

The typical US market EV is stupid. They are expensive fair-weather toys for the wealthy. There's nothing wrong with having toys.

 

[WILDHOBO]

We are losing sight of the forests with all this chatter back and forth. Let's get back on track.

EVs can be very very fast. That is the only neat thing about them --and they sound like garbage doing the one thing they do really well. Otherwise, they are lifeless, vanilla, soul sucking, utensils that lower a mans testosterone while simultaneously causing prostate cancer. They are antithetical to everything which makes the automobile truly special. EVs are the functional equivalent of a common bathroom toilet and have absolutely no right being expensive. We used to call EVs golfcarts. They were much cooler as golfcarts.

Where I live on the east coast, they are the trump card of virtue signaling for the do-nothing elitists. They most often share a garage next to another lifeless and boring utensil such as a Toyota Camry, Honda CRV, or Subaru Crosstrek.

The typical US market EV is stupid. They are expensive fair-weather toys for the wealthy. There's nothing wrong with having toys.

That’s ridiculous. Stop watching infowars.

 

[ecidiego]

We are losing sight of the forests with all this chatter back and forth. Let's get back on track.

EVs can be very very fast. That is the only neat thing about them --and they sound like garbage doing the one thing they do really well. Otherwise, they are lifeless, vanilla, soul sucking, utensils that lower a mans testosterone while simultaneously causing prostate cancer. They are antithetical to everything which makes the automobile truly special. EVs are the functional equivalent of a common bathroom toilet and have absolutely no right being expensive. We used to call EVs golfcarts. They were much cooler as golfcarts.

Where I live on the east coast, they are the trump card of virtue signaling for the do-nothing elitists. They most often share a garage next to another lifeless and boring utensil such as a Toyota Camry, Honda CRV, or Subaru Crosstrek.

The typical US market EV is stupid. They are expensive fair-weather toys for the wealthy. There's nothing wrong with having toys.

rofl.... meanwhile you're on a forum for a truck that sucks as a truck and costs $65k nicely equipped. $10k more than Model Y performance.

 

[maSS-hole]

Lol at some of these comments. We love our Chevy Bolt. It doesn't suck in every way, its actually awesome in a lot of ways.

1. Its quick
2. Theres no lag
3. Its very quiet on the freeway
4. It can climb a 7% grade at 7000' without even trying(vs some crappy NA gas motor revving to the moon)
5. Its actually pretty capable in the snow due to the electric motor being far more controllable.
6. The interior is massive for such a small vehicle because there is no fuel tank or exhaust having to be routed under the car. Just a short battery under the floor pan.
7. I never have to go to a gas station and stand out in the cold. Just roll into my garage and plug it in.
8. It cost me about 1/9th the cost of driving a gas truck or SUV.

If the EV powertrain and its drawback fit into your lifestyle(lets face it, most of you naysayers just make shit up that you "need") then its a great way to go. I did not buy the Bolt to save the planet. It was purely a financial decision to prevent having to drive my F150 of Lexus getting 16mpg with gas at $4.50 a gallon. And in that regard and many others, its phenominal. Even an equivalent ICE car(like a civic or sentra or something) would never be able to pay for itself in a reasonable amount of time since its also consuming $4.50 fuel. Meanwhile my Bolt drinks $0.12/kwh electricity and cost me about $60 to drive 2000 miles.

5100 miles in 3.5 months and not once have I had to charge it anywhere but my garage. I've got snow tires and a roof rack on it and am in UT in the cold and it still gets everywhere I need it to. In the fall I had my bike rack on a hitch and could bring me, my wife and my 6 yo to the mountain bike trails.

The problem with the Ford Lightning(and other full-size truck EV's) is that they are not offereing anything that a full-size truck buyer wants. A full-size truck buyer goes into the dealer thinking of all the things they can do with their truck, and the EV takes a lot of those things away. Even if the buyer won't actually use the capabilities in reality, its the idea that they could that attrachs them to the vehicle. Just like a lot of Jeep buyers never take their Jeep offroad.

Ford and GM are morons and should have focused their attention on smaller, cheaper vehicles. Smaller cars or even something like an EV Maverick. A Maverick buyer is not walking into the dealer thinking they are going to tow their 6000 lb travel trailer across the country and so the limitations of the EV powertrain are not going to be an issue. An EV maverick would work 100% fine for a daily commute and random dump run or picking up supplies at Home Depot, which is what the gas versions are used for anyways.

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