Hurricane disappointment - no Hurricane engine in the next three years

[ttn333]

You're responding to math with emotion.

Getting upset and claiming I don't have common sense doesn't change the numbers.
The numbers take into account all of the factors mentioned.

Nothing you said invalidates the fact that:

$70s - $40s = $30 of room

$70s - $50s = $20 of room

Looking at the cost of the 392, there's no way the price of v8 (in any form) Gladiator be under 70k. Virtual math doesn't work with reality. The reality is that the actual price would be well above $80k and they figured sales number would be abissmal. That's probably another reason why they're not going that route.

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[smlobx]

Remember these same people said that a Hemi wouldn't fit in a Wrangler. Also said the Neon SRT 4 was not going to be made. If the engineers can slap the engine in with the current harness / electronics and not have to reengineer the whole dash [think updated screen in the 24] why wouldn't they? cafe numbers would be better and that is worth $$$ to Stellates!

***THIS TIMES 1000 ***
While I like the guy he is very careful to tow the company line. I remember him explicitly saying that a V-8 would not fit in the Wrangler/Gladiator which we know know is completely false and pure BS. So take anything he says with a large grain of salt.

 

[redriderjf87]

If you believe jeep would ever offer the top engine on the lowest trim (which doesnt even get the diesel) then there is nothing left to say here. As I said, and you pointed out, I shouldnt have included those 2 since they're not even in the running and I should have just started at 60K since thats what I would consider the starting price given its the base version of the upper end truck configurations.

"Could" jeep offer a v8 sport, sure, but do you really think there is any world where thats a realistic option from a business standpoint?

Assuming they did it like the 392, its well over 70K all day every day for a v8 and thats assuming its a 5.7 and that they would discount it for not being the 392 which is 80K+.

I don't think you read / comprehended both equations.

Willy's trim gets the diesel (if that matters), and that trim starts in the $40s (equation 1). $30k of room

Other trims can be had in the $50s (equation 2). $20k of room

The math is still valid.

 

[redriderjf87]

Looking at the cost of the 392, there's no way the price of v8 (in any form) Gladiator be under 70k. Virtual math doesn't work with reality. The reality is that the actual price would be well above $80k and they figured sales number would be abissmal. That's probably another reason why they're not going that route.

There's only one kind of math.

I agree, Jeep technically could price a 5.7 Gladiator in the $80s and then cancel it after poor sales, in that hypothetical situation. Doesn't mean they would need to, but they could choose to do that.

 

[Unbreakable]

Okay I admit I didn't read every post but those of you who think that a 5.7 should be more than 4k if offered please help me understand why the 5.7 is a $3750.00 option on the Grand Cherokee? Before you go into economies of scale remember they only charge $4150.00 for the diesel and they would most likely sell a lot more 5.7's. This is simply because of CAFE standards, adding the 5.7 to the Gladiator would decrease fleet MPG because it would be such a popular option.

 

[bleda2002]

Okay I admit I didn't read every post but those of you who think that a 5.7 should be more than 4k if offered please help me understand why the 5.7 is a $3750.00 option on the Grand Cherokee? Before you go into economies of scale remember they only charge $4150.00 for the diesel and they would most likely sell a lot more 5.7's. This is simply because of CAFE standards, adding the 5.7 to the Gladiator would decrease fleet MPG because it would be such a popular option.

The GC and Ram were designed with the idea of putting a 5.7 in it from the start. Design, testing, certs cost all built in as part of the initial design budget. Gladiator and wrangler were not designed for a hemi, so you have all the costs associated with it, plus potentially low volume custom parts, frames, and one off solutions to the packaging as well as new testing and certs (safety, CAFE, SAE, EPA, etc) that would not be shared in cost with the original vehicle design.

Edit: On top of that, jeep is in the business of making money, they're not going to give away what they can charge more for, I honestly think if they had designed it for a v8 from the start our top end models with lesser engines would be even more expensive to price in the cost of some of them having v8's.

 

[guarnibl]

Just reinforcing your argument...the cheapest no option 392 Wrangler is $84,290, not $70k, which does include a bunch of expensive options I never buy that drives the price further.

Regarding bleda2002 comment on sales figures...if a 5.7 Hemi was a standalone $4k engine option as it should have been, sales would have been a significant piece of the overall sales pie. Jeep was lazy and it took the Bronco for them to show yes a larger/higher hp V8 does fit and stays cool...so what was the issue with the 5.7 again? The Wrangler / Gladiator with a 5.7 would have been absolutely perfect and reasonable option.

Cheers

The 5.7 would have gone thru same R&D as 6.4 and thus would have probably been the same price.

 

[guarnibl]

Okay I admit I didn't read every post but those of you who think that a 5.7 should be more than 4k if offered please help me understand why the 5.7 is a $3750.00 option on the Grand Cherokee? Before you go into economies of scale remember they only charge $4150.00 for the diesel and they would most likely sell a lot more 5.7's. This is simply because of CAFE standards, adding the 5.7 to the Gladiator would decrease fleet MPG because it would be such a popular option.

JL/T were designed off the bat for the engine options available close to launch. The R&D for a v8 whether 5.7 or 6.4 would have resulted in close to if not same premium we see today. Too low volume. They probably didn’t want to sell many either due to cafe standards, and instead push 4xe. I really wish it could have been an engine option rather than a trim level, but I get why they did it this way. I’d prefer to have the option even if expensive than none at all. 5.7/6.4 are very inexpensive motors.

 

[Uparms]

2.7 Turbo 4 in the 2023 Colorado. 310 HP and 400-500+ torque. Ford will have a 4 Cyl Turbo in the maverick soon, if not already. Wait another year for JT new engine, if not, then maybe time to reconsider competitors, even small Ram. Or just sit and hold this 2020 for 10-15 years. Repower 3.6 or even up-power if some one makes a nice DIT kit. Enjoy the rode today!!

 

[wv_gladiator]

I just wonder even if there is enough room for a straight 6 length anyway.

 

[Uparms]

WTF, just watched the video. I would not deduct anything from that short POS interview - comment. Keep you hopes alive.

 

[JeepCode4]

I would've rather had a 5.7 anyways.

Or a naturally aspirated straight 6 that's serviceable without going to a dealer, and trustworthy after 100k.

Or a pentastar that's actually geared correctly for it's output.

Exactly. The 5.7 is the perfect motor for this jeep

 

[Dim]

Do you think the gladiator will survive? asking that due to my last talk with my dealer here in Europe.
FCA told them than they have till end of 2023 to sell Gladiator because after that it will be no longer available for our market ( Belgium)

 

[texanjeeper]

The thing is, the guy asking the question just pulled "3 years" out of his ass. The answer would have been the same if he had said 5 years, and probably 7 years as well.

It's a real shame to see Jeep wasting so much time and resources on making an EV Jeep that will be a complete and total joke.

And guys....talking about an 8 cylinder engine in the Gladiator is a waste of good wishing. That ship has sailed, they won't even make the Hemi after this year.

 

[Oilburner]

I wanted him to directly ask "When will we see the Hurricane engine in a Wrangler or Gladiator?" They may have told him he can't ask LOL

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