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I'll take one. I could be wrong but there must be a reason if you want to go fast in the desert then majority are IFS

 

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I am not a fan of IFS, but I think it is inevitable for the Wrangler/Gladiator. The only question is, when?
I have heard this a couple of times, but I genuinely don't understand the reasoning. Is there something about switching production to IFS on a vehicle that literally has solid axles as a defining feature since it's inception that makes that option more attractive to Jeep in terms of pure sales?

The argument that the bulk of people buying Wranglers would prefer IFS for some sort of hypothetical handling improvement and Jeep would sell more because of it just seems flawed to me. Enthusiasts like us on these forums.....sure, we have opinions about suspension and all kinds of other things that affect a purchase. But this abstract group of "rank and file Wrangler purchasers" that everyone always seems to bring up? They aren't even going to know what IFS means, much less care about it enough to affect a purchase.
 

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I have heard this a couple of times, but I genuinely don't understand the reasoning. Is there something about switching production to IFS on a vehicle that literally has solid axles as a defining feature since it's inception that makes that option more attractive to Jeep in terms of pure sales?

The argument that the bulk of people buying Wranglers would prefer IFS for some sort of hypothetical handling improvement and Jeep would sell more because of it just seems flawed to me. Enthusiasts like us on these forums.....sure, we have opinions about suspension and all kinds of other things that affect a purchase. But this abstract group of "rank and file Wrangler purchasers" that everyone always seems to bring up? They aren't even going to know what IFS means, much less care about it enough to affect a purchase.
Wait and see. I think people underestimate how many Wrangler owners know.

I´ve heard all kinds of stuff, like lighter weight, blah blah. But the Bronco is heavier when equipped similarly. I´d bet an IFS Wrangler won´t be any lighter unless they take weight out somewhere else. My brother´s Colorado Bison weighs every bit as much as my Gladiator, both with 35´s, and he´s got IFS with a turbo 4. So the only thing that really remains is on-road handling. I´ll give that to the IFS. But that is not why I bought a Jeep, even thought that´s where it spends most of its time. I think Jeep´s core customer knows it is more than plastic cladding, badging, and removable doors. Even if they don´t really go off road, they dream about it and want the capability.

Jeep is screwing with success if they go that route. They have other models for that crowd.

But no matter for me. I´ll always have a solid axle Jeep in my garage until I croak or am too frail to get into it. Even if they stay with the solid axle, I won´t pay the price of a house for a new one.
 

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No mention of Gladiator but this Motortrend article states that Independent Front Suspension is coming to Wrangler in 2029. I’ve had and ruined all sorts of IFS setups and I’m not a fan for lifting and off-roading. This might be my last new Jeep. Thoughts???

https://mtg-next-web-2311.mtg.cdn.hearstapps.net/news/2029-jeep-wrangler-what-we-know-future-cars
Also rectangle headlight pods of sorts. But as far as IFS? That’s kind of a deal breaker for me, even though my 13 month old Gladiator with only 14,000+ change miles had developed the dreaded death wobble. It’s just a Sport S with factory 245/75-17 Bridgestone Dueler HT tires I run at 32 psi all around. Back over the last 6 months I’ve felt a very slight wobbly feel in the steering after hitting certain med bumps in the road. But yesterday on a 120 mile round trip 70-75 mph trip at a leisurely 22.5 mph, I had a couple episodes of moderate wobble, enough to warrant slowing down with a slow side to side steering motion to cancel out the wobble, that worked well, of course luckily there was no traffic nearby. I’m about to get the oil changed for the third time, I wasn’t planning on doing to my dealer, but now I have something else to be looked at, there does seem to be a lite stain/seepage? On the bottom side of the steering damper, so I hope that’s all. If so I’m going to try to have the dealer use the warranty to co vs er the labor, but I’ll pay for an upgraded dampener, like Bilstein 5100, to have them installed instead. If they won’t, maybe if the warranty replacement fails nearer to the end of the warranty? Wish me luck.
 

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I have heard this a couple of times, but I genuinely don't understand the reasoning. Is there something about switching production to IFS on a vehicle that literally has solid axles as a defining feature since it's inception that makes that option more attractive to Jeep in terms of pure sales?

The argument that the bulk of people buying Wranglers would prefer IFS for some sort of hypothetical handling improvement and Jeep would sell more because of it just seems flawed to me. Enthusiasts like us on these forums.....sure, we have opinions about suspension and all kinds of other things that affect a purchase. But this abstract group of "rank and file Wrangler purchasers" that everyone always seems to bring up? They aren't even going to know what IFS means, much less care about it enough to affect a purchase.

Agreed.

The Jeep market is largely made up of Starbucks snobs and Salt Life sticker owners that have no idea what IFS is. They only care about the ability to remove the top and getting ducked. It's rare I see a Wrangler or Gladi thats driven by an actual enthusiast now-a-days until I go to areas where its the norm (Moab, Colorado San Juans, etc), and even then I'd wager most of the owners still wouldn't care about IFS as long as they can still install a lift and bigger tires and hit some trails. The market wanting solid axles is probably a pretty small percentage, we just feel like its larger because its our people.

Jeep is going to do what makes sense for the largest percentage of the market while staying competitive with efficient production costs and manufacturing. At some point producing solid front axle platforms is no longer going to be cost effective.
 

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But no matter for me. I´ll always have a solid axle Jeep in my garage until I croak or am too frail to get into it.
Same. The majority of my current vehicles are solid axle now that I think about it.

At some point producing solid front axle platforms is no longer going to be cost effective.
Why though? What about producing this vehicle in it's current solid axle platform (that has been proven and tested for decades) is prohibitively more expensive than redesigning it and then shoehorning an IFS into it? It just seems like a change that no one is asking for.

I think someone earlier in this thread mentioned that switching to IFS may allow Jeep to bring in new bulk customers while maintaining us suckers who are loyalists. I think it's the exact opposite. Change what fundamentally makes this vehicle what it is, and I am out, while this abstract bulk group of Jeep buyers don't care to begin with. How does that benefit Jeep?
 

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Why though? What about producing this vehicle in it's current solid axle platform (that has been proven and tested for decades) is prohibitively more expensive than redesigning it and then shoehorning an IFS into it? It just seems like a change that no one is asking for.
I'm just guessing here, but my guess is its going to come down to manufacturing facilities. It's cheaper and more efficient to have production lines and processes set up that can produce multiple models with the same equipment using the same/similar parts vs having specific plants or lines that can only produce solid front axles. And with the import/export game the way it is and so many manufacturing facilities shutting down (not just in automotive), I can see the ability to produce more with less overhead is going to eventually win.
 

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I'm just guessing here, but my guess is its going to come down to manufacturing facilities. It's cheaper and more efficient to have production lines and processes set up that can produce multiple models with the same equipment using the same/similar parts vs having specific plants or lines that can only produce solid front axles. And with the import/export game the way it is and so many manufacturing facilities shutting down (not just in automotive), I can see the ability to produce more with less overhead is going to eventually win.
I´m not so sure IFS is less expensive. Might be. But it also appears to be more complex. I might also be wrong about that. I know they don´t care about this, but I like being able to do an alignment with a tape measure in my garage, too, with no worry about camber.

Ground clearance is an advantage of IFS, but I´d trade articulation any day for the loss in ground clearance.

And of course, lifting and modifying is FAR easier with a solid axle. But Chevy and Ford took care of that by offering factory 35´s, which is probably as big as I will go. The 37+ crowd remains unaddressed, though.
 

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I'm just guessing here, but my guess is its going to come down to manufacturing facilities. It's cheaper and more efficient to have production lines and processes set up that can produce multiple models with the same equipment using the same/similar parts vs having specific plants or lines that can only produce solid front axles. And with the import/export game the way it is and so many manufacturing facilities shutting down (not just in automotive), I can see the ability to produce more with less overhead is going to eventually win.
I suppose this makes sense. I am also not versed in the ins/outs of manufacturing at that large a scale. Maybe it's just my wishful thinking to believe that the costs (both direct and indirect, and both in terms of pure monetary expense and brand image) associated with researching, developing, and then producing an IFS Wrangler/Gladiator seem like a risk without a lot of reward.
 

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I am going to make a prediction. They will stay with a solid axle. Big risk messing with that.

It will be interesting to see what they do. Every time they´ve developed a new Wrangler, since the TJ, they have been tempted to do it.
 

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First, if the wrangler goes IFS, I will never buy another (new) one.

There are a couple of things that make the Wrangler desirable.
It's "All American"
The first "SUV" off-road buggy.
A hero from World War 2
Obviously, the very long lineage
It makes an unapologetic statement
And, very importantly
Is
That front live axle.
Live axles best fit the off-road scene, except, perhaps, that desert racing thing, which is foreign to 90% of this nation.

I don't even like driving on aggressive trails with others in those IFS vehicles because they can't handle the obstacles requiring a lot of articulation. They can't follow the same line as a Wrangler/Gladiator. Even the older Rovers, Blazers, and Broncos are better off-road than the 4-runners and Broncos.

Having said that, I think most Jeep Wrangler/Gladiator buyers are not avid off-roaders. They like the seven-slot grill and the boxy design and watch the "Jeep-Wave" commercials. In a sense, they just don't get it. And heck, look at the Wrangler sales themselves. Don't most people buy a sport to get the look without having to pay for the essential stuff like lockers and disconnecting sway bars?

Should whoever is running Jeep make the call to toss the live axle, then in my view, the essence and soul of the Wrangler is gone. It will take a lot of courage from leadership to keep the live axle. People in general do not opt for vehicles that approximate my first F250, which had rubber floor mats, a stick shift, AM radio, and manual windows. There is a charm in driving something so "bare", but it seems to be lost on recent generations. For that reason, we may see the passing of an era as we slide into a more comfortable, safer, tech-savvy, soft-touch, cozy car thing. Count me out, I'll keep what I have.
 

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No mention of Gladiator but this Motortrend article states that Independent Front Suspension is coming to Wrangler in 2029. I’ve had and ruined all sorts of IFS setups and I’m not a fan for lifting and off-roading. This might be my last new Jeep. Thoughts???

https://mtg-next-web-2311.mtg.cdn.hearstapps.net/news/2029-jeep-wrangler-what-we-know-future-cars
This was rumored for the JL and Jeep fans were ready to burn Stellantis HQ to the ground.

This smells like clickbait BS to me.
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