Maximus Gladius
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LAB RESULTS ARE IN. POSTED HERE: The winning poll result is #4 - Lab sample will show highlighted extreme metal wear and an ALERT to change the oil and Filter.
'Good for the life of your ZF transmission'???.... However, chrysler provides a warranty good for 100k klms....after that, they dont want it, and after you decide to do a first oil change on it then or even later, you'd hope draining out all that crap oil for new doesn't cause a catastrophic shock. So....those that know me here and followed my habits for doing my own oil changes also know I take a sample of that oil (engine, diffs, transfer case) to the lab to get analysed. WHY? Its something I can do; it keeps me involved in my own investment (though it is depreciating); its an accurate record for chrysler that I did the maintenance to their schedule; it eliminates tech errors and messes I may never be informed of; I'm paying the mortgage on it and last but not least, a lab result shows me the oil and mechanical health of those units. The lab will highlight wear problems, contamination problems (like glycol in the engine like I have since new and currently monitoring and yes, the leak is getting worse). Lab results are a preliminary warning system that can prepare you of a potential problem that is in the works. Think of it like a blood test your Dr orders and has you do. It gives you "base numbers" to start with so you can monitor wear metals and contamination as you put on those miles.
So, with all that said, my habitual maintenance habit with my last vehicle, 2017 Tacoma I had for 3 years, was to change my first oils at 1000 klms,...all the oils.
An Elk hit me last Oct 2020 and truck was written off. Toyota treated me like shit and I had to fire corporate and walked over to JEEP and into this amazing 2021 JTR. I did my first oil changes at 1000 kms and found I have an internal coolant leak but couldn't change the transmission oil. I ordered the pan and gasket from Mopar On-Line and waited 5 months only to return it for missing parts and was dirty with grit and crap from being tossed around. Mopar parts guy said, "just use it because it took so long to get". I said NOT A CHANCE and sent it back.
I spoke with my new dealership service manager (I interviewed before I took my truck in for other service) to see how competent he was mechanically and he completely understood my oil condition concerns, he read my oil analysis reports and engaged in critical thinking with regard to the results and reasons for changing my transmission oil NOW! The service manager grew up around high performance vehicles and Harleys and agreed the break-in oil that is in the transmission will have clutch debris and metals flowing around in there tearing stuff up and it's prudent to change the system "earlier than later". He further said if this was a high performance transmission, he would have changed the oils out "in a heartbeat". I understand this is not a high performance system BUT it still has gears and bits that require the oil to be as clean as possible to work as best as possible for as long as possible AND i want it performing great, forever. So I ordered a new transmission pan and gasket from them and have waited now for 3 weeks.
I'm at 24k kms currently and have pulled a sample out of the transmission for a lab result as well as taken in a sample of fresh Lifeguard 8-9 Speed ATF so an accurate cross check of numbers can be done. I will have the results this wednesday and will show you all just how good OR bad the oil is at just 24k kms. I will register my vote here by saying I believe the result will be shocking in that I'll have extremely high wear in the metals and will be ALERTED to get that oil out and filter changed. What do you all think?
'Good for the life of your ZF transmission'???.... However, chrysler provides a warranty good for 100k klms....after that, they dont want it, and after you decide to do a first oil change on it then or even later, you'd hope draining out all that crap oil for new doesn't cause a catastrophic shock. So....those that know me here and followed my habits for doing my own oil changes also know I take a sample of that oil (engine, diffs, transfer case) to the lab to get analysed. WHY? Its something I can do; it keeps me involved in my own investment (though it is depreciating); its an accurate record for chrysler that I did the maintenance to their schedule; it eliminates tech errors and messes I may never be informed of; I'm paying the mortgage on it and last but not least, a lab result shows me the oil and mechanical health of those units. The lab will highlight wear problems, contamination problems (like glycol in the engine like I have since new and currently monitoring and yes, the leak is getting worse). Lab results are a preliminary warning system that can prepare you of a potential problem that is in the works. Think of it like a blood test your Dr orders and has you do. It gives you "base numbers" to start with so you can monitor wear metals and contamination as you put on those miles.
So, with all that said, my habitual maintenance habit with my last vehicle, 2017 Tacoma I had for 3 years, was to change my first oils at 1000 klms,...all the oils.
An Elk hit me last Oct 2020 and truck was written off. Toyota treated me like shit and I had to fire corporate and walked over to JEEP and into this amazing 2021 JTR. I did my first oil changes at 1000 kms and found I have an internal coolant leak but couldn't change the transmission oil. I ordered the pan and gasket from Mopar On-Line and waited 5 months only to return it for missing parts and was dirty with grit and crap from being tossed around. Mopar parts guy said, "just use it because it took so long to get". I said NOT A CHANCE and sent it back.
I spoke with my new dealership service manager (I interviewed before I took my truck in for other service) to see how competent he was mechanically and he completely understood my oil condition concerns, he read my oil analysis reports and engaged in critical thinking with regard to the results and reasons for changing my transmission oil NOW! The service manager grew up around high performance vehicles and Harleys and agreed the break-in oil that is in the transmission will have clutch debris and metals flowing around in there tearing stuff up and it's prudent to change the system "earlier than later". He further said if this was a high performance transmission, he would have changed the oils out "in a heartbeat". I understand this is not a high performance system BUT it still has gears and bits that require the oil to be as clean as possible to work as best as possible for as long as possible AND i want it performing great, forever. So I ordered a new transmission pan and gasket from them and have waited now for 3 weeks.
I'm at 24k kms currently and have pulled a sample out of the transmission for a lab result as well as taken in a sample of fresh Lifeguard 8-9 Speed ATF so an accurate cross check of numbers can be done. I will have the results this wednesday and will show you all just how good OR bad the oil is at just 24k kms. I will register my vote here by saying I believe the result will be shocking in that I'll have extremely high wear in the metals and will be ALERTED to get that oil out and filter changed. What do you all think?
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