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My work has implemented this system in our Performance Reviews and Goals for at least the last 7-10 years or so. It is pretty much a joke among most salaried workers and only seems effective for executive level managers and 1st year new hires. Everybody else, it is just a roll your eyes gamed system that because the year end performance reviews have management rating 20% not meets, 60% meets and 20% exceeds regardless. So a manager can have 100% rockstar performers on the goals being met but 20% are going to get a shit review regardless.

A lot of salaried employees waste valuable work time trying to just manage their metrics for this system that really does not reflect day in and day out what they do because the goals floated down are like trying to nail Jello against the wall. Most have found to include me, just give lip service to these performance metrics and just do our jobs and so long as management does not yell at you too much during the year, you are going to get "Meets" or better on the performance review.

Between this and now DEI crap creeping in, most agree they could fire every body that manages these systems and we would be better off as most the time, they stand in the way of actual work needing to be done.
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It is pretty much a joke among most salaried workers and only seems effective for executive level managers and 1st year new hires.
This.

I’ve been making this point for years. Most employees don’t have the agency or their work is reactive or they don’t have long running tasks or they are tasked by superiors. Goals are meaningless. To me it’s another example of how management are the ones that are disengaged and out of touch with reality and their subordinates.

Even in my position, where I have almost total autonomy and actually can create long term plans for myself, those plans require buy in and budget from top level execs. I don’t bother listing my real goals because I can’t rely external forces for getting them accomplished. And management at most places is too obtuse to handle the situation where an employee couldn’t make goals because a project was canceled or they were moved or even promoted.

Personally, all of this goal shit is just another form of corporate masturbation for management to justify their existence.
 

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This.

I’ve been making this point for years. Most employees don’t have the agency or their work is reactive or they don’t have long running tasks or they are tasked by superiors. Goals are meaningless. To me it’s another example of how management are the ones that are disengaged and out of touch with reality and their subordinates.

Even in my position, where I have almost total autonomy and actually can create long term plans for myself, those plans require buy in and budget from top level execs. I don’t bother listing my real goals because I can’t rely external forces for getting them accomplished. And management at most places is too obtuse to handle the situation where an employee couldn’t make goals because a project was canceled or they were moved or even promoted.

Personally, all of this goal shit is just another form of corporate masturbation for management to justify their existence.
I'm not disagreeing with either you or hootbro. I went 20 years in that atmosphere. WE were fortunate to have national clear goals and objectives. So, when some stupid high level big ego due said arbitrarily "I want to do this" I could point to a specific quantifiable objective and ask them OK, now how does what you want to do support that NATIONAL goal and objective and oh by the way here are the national other state's progress on that and we presently don't look good. Well, after they hemmed and hawed and it became clear they didn't have a clue what they were doing even to them, they would ask me...and I'd give them a way to save their ego and accomplish the task... I got Kansas to have the cheapest drug prices (tied for first/17 million dollar a year program) in the country for a drug assistance program with just this approach... I can point to a US Dept. of Health and Human Services national audit by their inspector general to prove it. I took over one program that was 400K in the hole and the Department of Health had to go begging to the state legislature. I took over did an audit and they were actually 800K short but had only gotten the 400K and COULD NOT go back to the legislature... I had nine months and found the 400K simply by finding efficiencies but using the quality mangement principles... We had like 8 people in a program who were veterans (I was and am a Marine). They each cost us around 3 or 4 thousand a month to treat them but were eligible for Vet Payment. Well, you do 8 by 3000 by 9 (months left in a fiscal year) and see what you get... Heck that stuff is fun... But you always piss people off doing it as God, knows you will step on their turf and sometimes it makes them look bad although I always tried not to make it that way...

It has to be dynamic and takes complete buy in at all levels and that was the hardest part. We also had to deal with political appointees as part of changes over time. That was interesting to see 20 year professionals in a field replaced by some 25 year old with zero experience literally zero experience in a field get appointed because of his party and who he knew not picking on either side come in and take over. I hunkered down and 18 months later they literally went begging the old staff to come back... A good tow or three statewide outbreaks of some serious disease because of warned about stupid decisions by your inexperienced management staff gets corrected fast... I'm actually doing a bit of that from the outside right now here at home... Here's your hands, there's your ass and you have more syphilis than you have had in 75 years including babies dying... Here's how you fix it... And I've been telling them that since 2017 refusing to take the job at one point because they wouldn't let me change anything to fix it. God knows, you might offend somebody...

I was fortunate to have a very broad foundation within public health so knew it inside and out from national levels to administrative, up one side, down the other. I wasn't your regular "consultant/management expert). I KNEW when I was being bullshitted and just added that to a person's personal internal tally... I'd always been a "trouble shooter" since I knocked on doors and told people they had sexually transmitted diseases in 1980. Actually a very interesting job but you only last about five or so years doing that as you piss people off changing things. I was a generalist but wrote laws/Regs, got rapid tests (like the Covid Ones you get and do at home) carved out of the FDA back in HIV days. And I used laboratorian data against the people trying to stop it to protect their turf. A major chunk of the HIV Prevention progress indicators were created by me and my programs... So, I couldn't be bull shitted by anyone... I actually had a great time in my career INCLUDING running a state program that would have been over Covid...and retiring three months before it hit then doing Consulting during making decent bucks.

But back to Stellantis. They are really screwing things up imho and unfortunately, they make the vehicles I like to buy... and them not managerially being able to find their azzes with both hands at an international level is a big part of the problem... And you guys understand...
 
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Oh, I am going to have a Aortobifemoral bypass surgery here in 30 days so, I think that is why I'm getting all personal. It's serious stuff but if it works I can hike again like 100% instead of hardly walking... And darn it, none of my present vehicles will take me where I want to go http://www.montanaoverland4x4adventures.org/trailsdestinations/4high4x4trails.html BUT a Gladiator will. This are all within an hour of me. Some 15 minutes to trail heads.

I'm going to attack the future and not just sort of slide into oblivion... So, thanks for any patience here... And Merry Xmas to your and yours.
 
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Reading these past few posts makes me feel great about never having worked in the corporate structure. Ya, I did a few years flying jets for the airlines, but we pilots were red-headed stepchildren. Made as much or more than the managers but had none of the headaches nor bullcrap to put up with.
30 years military, and when things got really frustrating with the latest commander (We called them corporate raiders) we could actually/legally go kill something to vent.
You guys were stuck with, what, racket ball or something like that to blow off steam?
Well, I guess we get to walk out the path we choose, sorry yours (several of you) wasn't more pleasant.
 

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Reading these past few posts makes me feel great about never having worked in the corporate structure. Ya, I did a few years flying jets for the airlines, but we pilots were red-headed stepchildren. Made as much or more than the managers but had none of the headaches nor bullcrap to put up with.
30 years military, and when things got really frustrating with the latest commander (We called them corporate raiders) we could actually/legally go kill something to vent.
You guys were stuck with, what, racket ball or something like that to blow off steam?
Well, I guess we get to walk out the path we choose, sorry yours (several of you) wasn't more pleasant.
Me - Meritoriously Promoted to both Corporal and Sergeant in three months, 1974. A Battery, 1st Battalion, 10th Marines, 2nd Mar Div. The Turks invaded Cyprus and I was on the MAU (34) that just happened to be in the area. I was acting as an FO Lance, with the "Naval Gunfire Liaison Team" for the sixth fleet, consisting of 18 squids and Marines and the Turks started probing the British Perimeter...on their base because they intended on cutting through.

No medals, no awards... We sat on a hill taking (receiving) pot shots letting the Turks know that IF they jumped, we'd be calling in about 50 five inch 38's on their heads....well, until we couldn't do it any longer. I researched it thoroughly once I grew up and got a brain...and realized and fully internalized what a close thing it had been.

This was all that was said, in the history books, "On 23 July, after the lift from Dhekelia, Vice Admiral Daniel J. Murphy, Commander, Sixth Fleet, sent jos message to Commander, Landing Task Force, Sixth Fleet (ctf 62): Your professional execution of a most difficult evacuation operation in an extremely sensitive situation Was(a source of great satisfaction to me.) The performance of your control and liaison team, your pilots and their support elements aboard ship, was superb."

Nobody even told us.

So, I've seen both worlds. Coming from that one and back to the world is very frustrating as people play their games dancing around in this illusion worried about things not important, all puffed up, having zero concept of what "mission" is... and you knowing they will throw you in jail if you do what you really want to to do to them...

So, you learn how to beat them at their own game and use the tools you got. Nobody dies, but they know when you stick it to them... And whether I like it or not, and I do, I will always be a Marine...
 
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Me - Meritoriously Promoted to both Corporal and Sergeant in three months, 1974. A Battery, 1st Battalion, 10th Marines, 2nd Mar Div. The Turks invaded Cyprus and I was on the MAU (34) that just happened to be in the area. I was acting as an FO Lance, with the "Naval Gunfire Liaison Team" for the sixth fleet, consisting of 18 squids and Marines and the Turks started probing the British Perimeter...on their base because they intended on cutting through.

No medals, no awards... We sat on a hill taking (receiving) pot shots letting the Turks know that IF they jumped, we'd be calling in about 50 five inch 38's on their heads....well, until we couldn't do it any longer. I researched it thoroughly once I grew up and got a brain...and realized and fully internalized what a close thing it had been.

This was all that was said, in the history books, "On 23 July, after the lift from Dhekelia, Vice Admiral Daniel J. Murphy, Commander, Sixth Fleet, sent jos message to Commander, Landing Task Force, Sixth Fleet (ctf 62): Your professional execution of a most difficult evacuation operation in an extremely sensitive situation Was(a source of great satisfaction to me.) The performance of your control and liaison team, your pilots and their support elements aboard ship, was superb."

Nobody even told us.

So, I've seen both worlds. Coming from that one and back to the world is very frustrating as people play their games dancing around in this illusion worried about things not important, all puffed up, having zero concept of what "mission" is... and you knowing they will throw you in jail if you do what you really want to to do to them...

So, you learn how to beat them at their own game and use the tools you got. Nobody dies, but they know when you stick it to them... And whether I like it or not, and I do, I will always be a Marine...
So true what you guys say, "Once a Marine, always a Marine." Same-same with a soldier. I will be Army until I draw my last breath. Willing to execute any orders until that same breath. Some things are way bigger than this fake civilian world. I prefer the world we came from, one of honor and performance, but that's just me.

Was lucky enough to have attended WTI, a Marine Corps flying school and later on flew many a Marine in Southern Afghanistan. They were good people. Reliable, selfless, tough. A bunch of Marines converted to the Army and made good soldiers and pilots in my world.

Luckily for me almost all of my professional life I wore a uniform or contracted in the combat theater. Only had to fly jets a little more than 5 years as a civilian.
 

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No, he was suggesting you trade in the gas truck for a diesel model.
Yes, this exactly. Or buy a diesel JT, move all your parts over that are applicable 90%+ will be, and swap the stock parts to your gasser. Sell the gasser outright or to CarMax.
 

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The price of trading out or opting for a Hemi mandates that I exhaust all possibilities of making this engine right. Because if I can, then I have the RIGHT engine in the JT for the job.
1. Something Jeep engineered
2. The lightest motor/vehicle solution
3. Likely the best fuel economy
4. A certain "cool" factor that didn't "sell out" for the easy fix.

This may be a couple year old story before the final chapter is written, but I WILL be the one writing it!
#4 will cost you a lot of money not only now, but also in resale. Keep that in mind. No body wants to pay much for someone else's project....
 

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Me - Meritoriously Promoted to both Corporal and Sergeant in three months, 1974. A Battery, 1st Battalion, 10th Marines, 2nd Mar Div. The Turks invaded Cyprus and I was on the MAU (34) that just happened to be in the area. I was acting as an FO Lance, with the "Naval Gunfire Liaison Team" for the sixth fleet, consisting of 18 squids and Marines and the Turks started probing the British Perimeter...on their base because they intended on cutting through.

No medals, no awards... We sat on a hill taking (receiving) pot shots letting the Turks know that IF they jumped, we'd be calling in about 50 five inch 38's on their heads....well, until we couldn't do it any longer. I researched it thoroughly once I grew up and got a brain...and realized and fully internalized what a close thing it had been.

This was all that was said, in the history books, "On 23 July, after the lift from Dhekelia, Vice Admiral Daniel J. Murphy, Commander, Sixth Fleet, sent jos message to Commander, Landing Task Force, Sixth Fleet (ctf 62): Your professional execution of a most difficult evacuation operation in an extremely sensitive situation Was(a source of great satisfaction to me.) The performance of your control and liaison team, your pilots and their support elements aboard ship, was superb."

Nobody even told us.

So, I've seen both worlds. Coming from that one and back to the world is very frustrating as people play their games dancing around in this illusion worried about things not important, all puffed up, having zero concept of what "mission" is... and you knowing they will throw you in jail if you do what you really want to to do to them...

So, you learn how to beat them at their own game and use the tools you got. Nobody dies, but they know when you stick it to them... And whether I like it or not, and I do, I will always be a Marine...
Semper Fi!
 

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Me - Meritoriously Promoted to both Corporal and Sergeant in three months, 1974. A Battery, 1st Battalion, 10th Marines, 2nd Mar Div. The Turks invaded Cyprus and I was on the MAU (34) that just happened to be in the area. I was acting as an FO Lance, with the "Naval Gunfire Liaison Team" for the sixth fleet, consisting of 18 squids and Marines and the Turks started probing the British Perimeter...on their base because they intended on cutting through.

No medals, no awards... We sat on a hill taking (receiving) pot shots letting the Turks know that IF they jumped, we'd be calling in about 50 five inch 38's on their heads....well, until we couldn't do it any longer. I researched it thoroughly once I grew up and got a brain...and realized and fully internalized what a close thing it had been.

This was all that was said, in the history books, "On 23 July, after the lift from Dhekelia, Vice Admiral Daniel J. Murphy, Commander, Sixth Fleet, sent jos message to Commander, Landing Task Force, Sixth Fleet (ctf 62): Your professional execution of a most difficult evacuation operation in an extremely sensitive situation Was(a source of great satisfaction to me.) The performance of your control and liaison team, your pilots and their support elements aboard ship, was superb."

Nobody even told us.

So, I've seen both worlds. Coming from that one and back to the world is very frustrating as people play their games dancing around in this illusion worried about things not important, all puffed up, having zero concept of what "mission" is... and you knowing they will throw you in jail if you do what you really want to to do to them...

So, you learn how to beat them at their own game and use the tools you got. Nobody dies, but they know when you stick it to them... And whether I like it or not, and I do, I will always be a Marine...
Taped a 2nd Lt @$$hole into a porta Potti in 98* weather and roped his rucksack high into a tree before he could made enough noise for the Platoon sergeant to cut the 100 MPH tape off and advise him. Polite and Caring gentleman to this day.
 
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Yes, this exactly. Or buy a diesel JT, move all your parts over that are applicable 90%+ will be, and swap the stock parts to your gasser. Sell the gasser outright or to CarMax.
Nope, no, and no.
I could never hope to recoup the high premium of an AEV. This is not a "normal" Rubicon with a set of wheels. My Jeep listed at $75K in 2022. So no way I would recoup the money

Secondly, we are not talking about trading anything, at least I am not. I am interested in getting more power from the V6 gasser. End of that conversation. No sell/upgrade/trade. Nope, not going there. And I didn't want to discuss that. Just wanted to learn how to get the aftermarket interested in getting us some performance out of this V6. Sooner or later, it will likely happen. I'll just wait it out and up and down shift on highways all over this United States until that time.

I'll likely keep this thing forever. I may buy the JT-2 or the CJT, or whatever the Jeep boneheads are cookin' up, but this one, having cost so much only makes sense if: #1 I use it a lot (check). #2: keep it for the next couple of decades to amortize the cost. Aside from that is foolery.

I still drive my 2002 Suburban 2500. It's a way more modded overlander than this Jeep thing. I will drive it into the next century if my vintage does not expire. I have three suburbans in cost invested in that thing, like $20K+ on just the powerplant. No way to recoup my investment unless I drive it forever, and that is in progress.

So (and please no one get triggered or have a bad day), we are done with the trade/sell/steal/change suggestions. Think we killed that one. This thread: Lookin' to get more ponies from the little V6 that could!
 

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Nope, no, and no.
I could never hope to recoup the high premium of an AEV. This is not a "normal" Rubicon with a set of wheels. My Jeep listed at $75K in 2022. So no way I would recoup the money

Secondly, we are not talking about trading anything, at least I am not. I am interested in getting more power from the V6 gasser. End of that conversation. No sell/upgrade/trade. Nope, not going there. And I didn't want to discuss that. Just wanted to learn how to get the aftermarket interested in getting us some performance out of this V6. Sooner or later, it will likely happen. I'll just wait it out and up and down shift on highways all over this United States until that time.

I'll likely keep this thing forever. I may buy the JT-2 or the CJT, or whatever the Jeep boneheads are cookin' up, but this one, having cost so much only makes sense if: #1 I use it a lot (check). #2: keep it for the next couple of decades to amortize the cost. Aside from that is foolery.

I still drive my 2002 Suburban 2500. It's a way more modded overlander than this Jeep thing. I will drive it into the next century if my vintage does not expire. I have three suburbans in cost invested in that thing, like $20K+ on just the powerplant. No way to recoup my investment unless I drive it forever, and that is in progress.

So (and please no one get triggered or have a bad day), we are done with the trade/sell/steal/change suggestions. Think we killed that one. This thread: Lookin' to get more ponies from the little V6 that could!
One again I wish there was a way to give more than one "like" to a post......... I can relate to so much of it.
 
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One again I wish there was a way to give more than one "like" to a post......... I can relate to so much of it.
OK, Appreciate your sentiments!
I can offer one "like," One hardy handshake, and one toothy smile, but that taps me out! ;-)

And actually Shadows, your comments are factual, technical, and useful, and I appreciate candor (along with truth). And I know you are a big voice for appreciating the V6 as it was intended to be used. I guess I draw strength and some confidence from your stance, so yeah, thanks. And if the truth be known I actually like this little motor more each time I learn more about it. Someday the key to the magic kingdom will be discovered, and then we can start having some fun.

Take a look at my "name," Flyin6. I got that name because aside from the fact that I flew things, I owned a V6 Grand National back in the day that was faster than some of the things I flew. It once made 1027 HP out of 284 Cu In. That left an indelible mark. Now with this Mopar V6 engine, we have a great deal more sophistication. And guys like me will take that dog for a long walk given half the chance.

So...AFTERMARKET, wake up and unlock this computer already!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Taped a 2nd Lt @$$hole into a porta Potti in 98* weather and roped his rucksack high into a tree before he could made enough noise for the Platoon sergeant to cut the 100 MPH tape off and advise him. Polite and Caring gentleman to this day.
Too bad I wasn't that 2LT. ;-) Might have just strung you up in that tree along with the kit you put there. Always like a good gag, but when you set a thing in motion, physics takes over. There's always some big guy who is gonna hunt ya, and return the favor, or something like that!
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