Why I wouldn't wait for a diesel . . .

[Slapping_Rabbits]

My 2015 Ram 1500 diesel has no sign of soot inside the tailpipe, and if you stand downwind of the exhaust at idle, all you smell is a faint whiff of something that smells like fresh-baking Italian bread. Totally different from old school diesels. That said, I don't want to keep my 3.0 Ecodiesel for extended time or high mileage, the financial stakes if/when something goes wrong are just too high.

Doesn't that mean you have some coolant leaking into yer exhaust?

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[kd1yt]

Doesn't that mean you have some coolant leaking into yer exhaust?

It's spelled DEF

 

[bgenlvtex]

When you start thinking you want "DIESEL muh torques" ask yourself "Do I know jack shit about Tier IV emissions?"

If your answer is "What is Tier IV emissions?", you don't want "Diesel muh torques"

 

[Jowen]

The emissions standard for diesel in California is ridiculous, I believe the plan is to make the standards so high no one will be capable of meeting them , to drive even large trucks out of state, or even to drive in the state.

 

[Slapping_Rabbits]

Have you seen the toxicity studies on diesels? Even the newer ones? Quite toxic. I don't know if I'd call them ridiculous after reading some.

 

[RedTRex]

The emissions standard for diesel in California is ridiculous, I believe the plan is to make the standards so high no one will be capable of meeting them , to drive even large trucks out of state, or even to drive in the state.

Who cares - hope the PRC breaks off and falls in (the Pacific Ocean) anyway....

 

[Astephan1284]

For the amount of money an "upgraded" diesel engine costs, I'm trying to find the benefits that everyone is so patiently waiting for?

You can't tow more (Not just an engine issue, but a mid-sized pickup issue), the gas is more expensive (used to be a benefit that it was cheaper, but now you pay more to get more MPG so that's a wash), the emissions is an issue, and in my experience when something goes wrong, it tends to be a more expensive fix.

Just do your upgrades if you want more torque.

Mainly just the low end torque vs the pentastar is the only real selling point I was interested in originally... But once you start to factor in all the extra costs i.e. $3k-$5K for the diesel "package", more on gas, more on maintenance then multiplied by the life of the engine...that Hemi swap starts to look real good. My plan is to tuck some pennies away for a few years while driving the pentastar for 80k+ miles and then just swap to a hemi.

 

[rvillano8188]

Mainly just the low end torque vs the pentastar is the only real selling point I was interested in originally... But once you start to factor in all the extra costs i.e. $3k-$5K for the diesel "package", more on gas, more on maintenance then multiplied by the life of the engine...that Hemi swap starts to look real good. My plan is to tuck some pennies away for a few years while driving the pentastar for 80k+ miles and then just swap to a hemi.

And I get it, but at some point some people are just “wait for the diesel no matter what” and I’m just sitting here thinking either those people have too much money to burn, or, they’re blindly following a diesel and not thinking straight because, ya know, ‘Merica.

Good luck to those spending an extra 10-15k+ for a hyped up engine that won’t get their money’s worth.

 

[RedTRex]

Mainly just the low end torque vs the pentastar is the only real selling point I was interested in originally... But once you start to factor in all the extra costs i.e. $3k-$5K for the diesel "package", more on gas, more on maintenance then multiplied by the life of the engine...that Hemi swap starts to look real good. My plan is to tuck some pennies away for a few years while driving the pentastar for 80k+ miles and then just swap to a hemi.

Just the kit is $7K, then you need a bunch of littlle parts, plus an aengine.... so budget at least $20K

 

[RedTRex]

And I get it, but at some point some people are just “wait for the diesel no matter what” and I’m just sitting here thinking either those people have too much money to burn, or, they’re blindly following a diesel and not thinking straight because, ya know, ‘Merica.

Good luck to those spending an extra 10-15k+ for a hyped up engine that won’t get their money’s worth.

too much money too burn? it's only a few thousand more.... and at least in my case if FCA is stupid and doesn't price competitively... (i've mentioned this in 3 other threads already) Chevy is already selling their new 3.0 diesel for $2495 ---- and that INCLUDES the automatic transmission (hear me Jeep?). FCA needs to be damn close to that price scenario or I most like will opt out..........if they make it a $68-70k msrp truck. W/O stating the obvious nothing is like a Jeep, there are many vehicles that are very nice for 70K including the C8.

So we shall see my friend, will FCA be wise, or greedy?

 

[rvillano8188]

too much money too burn? it's only a few thousand more.... and at least in my case if FCA is stupid and doesn't price competitively... (i've mentioned this in 3 other threads already) Chevy is already selling their new 3.0 diesel for $2495 ---- and that INCLUDES the automatic transmission (hear me Jeep?). FCA needs to be damn close to that price scenario or I most like will opt out..........if they make it a $68-70k msrp truck. W/O stating the obvious nothing is like a Jeep, there are many vehicles that are very nice for 70K including the C8.

So we shall see my friend, will FCA be wise, or greedy?

I think we both know the answer to this one lol. I think its not the initial price, as much as it's the gas pricing vs diesel, plus the added durability issue in some of the newer diesel engines, and of course the cost once that durability comes into play and you need to get something fixed.

Either way, I'll stick to my gas 3.6 that's tried and true for now, at least until there's a plug-in version. Then I'll just use my handy Bluetooth speaker to play exhaust sounds on youtube while I'm driving

 

[bgenlvtex]

too much money too burn? it's only a few thousand more.... and at least in my case if FCA is stupid and doesn't price competitively... (i've mentioned this in 3 other threads already) Chevy is already selling their new 3.0 diesel for $2495 ---- and that INCLUDES the automatic transmission (hear me Jeep?). FCA needs to be damn close to that price scenario or I most like will opt out..........if they make it a $68-70k msrp truck. W/O stating the obvious nothing is like a Jeep, there are many vehicles that are very nice for 70K including the C8.

So we shall see my friend, will FCA be wise, or greedy?

Diesel engines in mid size trucks is a niche market at the very best.

Engineering costs have to be retired, emissions controls have to be installed, I wouldn't expect them to do that without a return on investment.

Colorado /Canyon is a dated and not comparable to Gladiator platform that is wheezing its last breaths. GM is trying to artificially resuscitate those trucks by appealing to that niche market. That market can easily become saturated so it makes no sense to go into it thin on margin. FCA clearly wasn't bashful about pricing the Gladiator, there is no reason to think they will be on the Diesel option.

 

[smlobx]

I would expect the diesel option to be the same as it is on the RAM truck...

 

[billlumberg]

Have a 2015 Ram Eco. Loved, love the truck until the “emission fix”. I never had trouble finding fuel (25k miles a year), awesome fuel mileage (25.2 for the entire ownership-pre “fix”), towed the hell out of anything (within reason) that I pulled and kept in 8 gear. Was getting ready to do the DEF delete and a bunch of other stuff before the “fix” came out.

I would not give $0.25 for the damn thing now. I was waiting for the Diesel to trade in my 1500 on a Gladiator. Now if it proves out to be the same engine with the same software - run fast and long.

 

[biodiesel]

The 2014 - 2018 Ecodiesel is fairly reliable and very fuel efficient 'if' you get the GDE tune. With the GDE tune, the current Ecodiesel is far more fuel efficient than the V6 gasoline engine. The torque and overall driving experience makes it a winner in nearly every category. With that being said, I am waiting for the Gladiator Ecodiesel to see if it can also be easily tuned. If so, I will go with the Ecodiesel option. The Ecodiesel was optioned 2,800 more than the Hemi, which I feel is well worth the upcharge.

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