Some confusion on max payload

[ShadowsPapa]

The door sticker clearly states, Max payload includes driver, passenger and anything in the vehicle that did not come with it. So if the driver weighs 200 lbs. deduct that from the max weight to get cargo weight.
That chart is incorrect and my JT manual that came with the truck gas an addendum/correction sheet added to the manual correcting this info. I believe the latest on line manual is correct.
Cheers

"The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed..................."
Any JT owner can go open the driver door and look back at the door jamb area - tip your head sideways for best results. Those with bifocals you may need to tilt your head another direction. Trifocals, go ask your wife or kid to read it for you.
So as TrailHiker has stated, that's the "law" for THAT vehicle no matter what anyone or anything else says.
The combined weight of OCCUPANTS and CARGO. Occupants - the driver occupies the cab...... pretty clear to me.

I got v3 of the online manual - will have to look. I was suspecting JEEP MESSED UP - or rather an EMPLOYEE messed up.
Maybe an engineer was sick and a marketing guru filled in that day.
That door jamb sticker is the ace trump card.

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[TrailHiker]

One could say that, anyway, the sticker is the bottom line!
V3 Manual states, “
Tire And Loading Information Placard
This placard tells you important information about the:
1. Number of people that can be carried in the vehicle.
2. Total weight your vehicle can carry.
3. Tire size designed for your vehicle.
4. Cold tire inflation pressures for the front, rear, and spare tires.

“Loading
The vehicle maximum load on the tire must not exceed the load carrying capacity of the tire on your vehicle. You will not exceed the tire's load carrying capacity if you adhere to the loading
conditions, tire size, and cold tire inflation pressures specified on the Tire and Loading Information placard in “Vehicle Loading” in the “Starting And Operating” section of this manual.
NOTE:
Under a maximum loaded vehicle condition, gross axle weight ratings (GAWRs) for the front and rear axles must not be exceeded.
For further information on GAWRs, vehicle loading, and trailer towing, refer to “Vehicle Loading” in the “Starting And Operating” section of this manual.
To determine the maximum loading conditions of your vehicle, locate the statement “The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXX kg or XXX lbs” on the Tire and Loading Information placard. The combined weight of occupants, cargo/luggage and trailer tongue weight (if applicable) should never exceed the weight referenced here.”

Their is a corrected trailer max weight chart also, no reference to a 150lb driver allowance.
Cheers

 

[ShadowsPapa]

One could say that, anyway, the sticker is the bottom line!
V3 Manual states, “
Tire And Loading Information Placard
This placard tells you important information about the:
1. Number of people that can be carried in the vehicle.
2. Total weight your vehicle can carry.
3. Tire size designed for your vehicle.
4. Cold tire inflation pressures for the front, rear, and spare tires.

“Loading
The vehicle maximum load on the tire must not exceed the load carrying capacity of the tire on your vehicle. You will not exceed the tire's load carrying capacity if you adhere to the loading
conditions, tire size, and cold tire inflation pressures specified on the Tire and Loading Information placard in “Vehicle Loading” in the “Starting And Operating” section of this manual.
NOTE:
Under a maximum loaded vehicle condition, gross axle weight ratings (GAWRs) for the front and rear axles must not be exceeded.
For further information on GAWRs, vehicle loading, and trailer towing, refer to “Vehicle Loading” in the “Starting And Operating” section of this manual.
To determine the maximum loading conditions of your vehicle, locate the statement “The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXX kg or XXX lbs” on the Tire and Loading Information placard. The combined weight of occupants, cargo/luggage and trailer tongue weight (if applicable) should never exceed the weight referenced here.”

Their is a corrected trailer max weight chart also, no reference to a 150lb driver allowance.
Cheers

Perfect, as expected. That's why I never saw that 150 pound driver thing - I have v3 of the manual in PDF format and that's what I go by - oh, and the sticker by the door.
Yes, a reminder - if towing and you have a 400 pound tongue weight, that counts against your payload number on the sticker.
Tongue weight, driver and other people, cooler and beer, kids's toys, Rover, fishing gear, etc.
Thanks.

 

[PyrPatriot]

They don't assume anything. That's a big mistake on their build one web site. It says they assume a person weighs xxx but that's wrong - in the end it's what you put in the vehicle is payload - meaning YOU, your WIFE, your kids, your dog, your tools, your beer, you have to add all of that up.
If your payload sticker says 1100 pounds - then you weigh 200, your wife 130, you have to subtract 330 from that 1100 and now you have under 800 to use for your "stuff" like beer and such.
Payload is people, including driver, and food and pets and kids and spare boots, your phone, you name it. That's payload you must take away from the number on that door jamb sticker.
They don't account for people, they don't assume the driver weighs a certain amount as some may weigh 160 while the next guy weighs 300 like the prior owner of my SX4! He broke three springs and the driver seat frame was in 5 pieces and the seat belt was extended a few inches.

I recently learned that Toyota also states in their door owner's manual that there is a 150lb allowance for the driver so the door-jam max payload will be lower than actual payload. Looks like Jeep isn't the only one doing this

 

[Jonny A]

I just load it up till it looks like I may not want to load it more. Drive away. I am sure I have gone over recommended weight on all my pick up trucks at some time. Never any lasting negative effect to the vehicles. I certainly ain't putting stuff on the scales while out shopping at Lowe's or Home Depot.

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