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Probably BAs, ppl near retirement, excessive management, underperforming engineers. Many companies had to make some difficult decisions around covid too. Heck, replace one big platform with a more efficient one, and you’ll have some turn over. If they mess around and let the good ones go, they will struggle to hire good ppl back, in the future.

Sorry to hear for those folks, for sure. In the grand scheme of things, I would imagine that 400 employees is a small % for them. Yeah, 2%. Not sure why this is considered news.

my guess: this is round 1. Next move is to offer voluntary retirement for some. The layoffs that follow that will be bigger. That’s how it played out in the telecom days.
 
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Yeah well the programmers departure was over due..........their oversites have made CDJR vehicles the easiest to steal on the market.

Yes, I will open with I'm a GM guy with a love of Jeeps. GM did it right, they have a cyber security division .......the fruits of their labor was/is the Global B platform. If you know anything about networking......it's a brilliant and secure design
 

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Watched a local TV station news video on this yesterday and they were talking to one of the engineers that got notice and he stated the work is there for them, just Stellantis is off loading some of their engineering to Mexico and India. This seems to be a byproduct of many positions that went virtual during COVID, these companies realized if it can be done from home, it can done virtual in cheaper international labor markets.
 
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Before being laid off the engineers should be required to do oil cooler and valve cover gasket replacements on a Promaster.
 
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Stellantis robbed their own customers during Covid. I will enjoy watching them crash and burn. Next owners up!
 

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Watched a local TV station news video on this yesterday and they were talking to one of the engineers that got notice and he stated the work is there for them, just Stellantis is off loading their engineer to Mexico and India. This seems to be a byproduct of many positions that went virtual during COVID, these companies realized if it can be done from home, it can done virtual in cheaper international labor markets.
That’ll cost them in the long run. Seen that, been there, multiple companies. I’ve also been on a lot of projects where the offshore execution was so poor that they brought those jobs back onshore. Even if you do a good job with the software at that point, your internal business partners will have lost their trust with the IT org, and by that time the business side will have aready accumulated a small army of cowboy coders to get stuff done. It won’t be good, great, or quality, but the business will be able to make decisions when they need to. Typically in those environments, the management and BAs are so poor at defining their requirements and needs, that it doesn’t matter how good of engineers you have at the end of that software delivery pipeline. It’s crap in, crap out.

you can get quality software, offshore, but you’ll spend so much time getting those requirements fine tuned, that it would just have been cheaper/faster to work with an engineer in the native language. Additionally, the feedback loops suck; every question that you ask from an offshore team tends to take a full day before you get the response. 4 time zones in the lower 48 is enough of a challenge to get same day action/reaction/responses, working with team members on the other side of the globe is even more of a challenge..
 
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Watched a local TV station news video on this yesterday and they were talking to one of the engineers that got notice and he stated the work is there for them, just Stellantis is off loading their engineer to Mexico and India. This seems to be a byproduct of many positions that went virtual during COVID, these companies realized if it can be done from home, it can done virtual in cheaper international labor markets.
Right. If a job can be WFH, then it will be done in Bangalore for 1/50 of the rate.
 

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Watched a local TV station news video on this yesterday and they were talking to one of the engineers that got notice and he stated the work is there for them, just Stellantis is off loading their engineer to Mexico and India. This seems to be a byproduct of many positions that went virtual during COVID, these companies realized if it can be done from home, it can done virtual in cheaper international labor markets.
I've been saying this for awhile now. The people that are adamant about being able to work from home are basically begging to have their job outsourced, for the reason you just stated. If it can be done remotely, then there's a good chance it can be done very remotely. Careful what you wish for.
 

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Stellantis robbed their own customers during Covid. I will enjoy watching them crash and burn. Next owners up!
As much as I hate to admit it, thats why I put off purchasing my JT from mid-2020 to 2023. It took +$10k off the sticker price to lure me back.
 

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That’ll cost them in the long run. Seen that, been there, multiple companies. I’ve also been on a lot of projects where the offshore execution was so poor that they brought those jobs back onshore. Even if you do a good job with the software at that point, your internal business partners will have lost their trust with the IT org, and by that time the business side will have aready accumulated a small army of cowboy coders to get stuff done. It won’t be good, great, or quality, but the business will be able to make decisions when then need to. Typically in those environments, the management and BAs are so poor at defining their requirements and needs, that it doesn’t matter how good of engineers you have at the end of that software delivery pipeline. It’s crap in, crap out.

you can get quality software, offshore, but you’ll spend so much time getting those requirements fine tuned, that it would just have been cheaper/faster to work with an engineer in the native language. Additionally, the feedback loops suck; every question that you ask from an offshore team tends to take a full day before you get the response. 4 time zones in the lower 48 is enough of a challenge to get same day action/reaction/responses, working with team members on the other side of the globe is even more of a challenge..
I m a healtcare consultant with one foot dipped in management and work very closely with our execs. One of the biggest hospitals in CA and we've been outsourcing for over 5 years now with EXTREMELY good results. It's mainly with IBM offshore and their main pool of operations is in India (heard the next Silicon Valley is springing up there with massive IT buildings supporting global operations). I've worked extensively with those off-shore teams and while language barrier is somewhat there, their talent and work ethics are FAR BETTER than Western world ("I'm clocked out so don't bother me attitudes for most Americans".. "oh I can't work that shift cos my wife is having a baby shower"). In fact, IBM helped us reshape some of our backbone IT infrastructure that was unoptimized for years but no one wanted to touch it as people were simply "if aint broke, dont fix it" mentality. The irony is we were paying IT PMs over 200K salary working remote and they never voiced their opinion with a "hey...maybe we should try this for optimizations and take the business risk and see what happens". People were just comfortable working 4-6 hours a day wearing pajamas while reeping 200k income, 401k benefits, paid vacation, paid dental and healthcare coverage. When we outsourced, it's 3 yr IBM contract with full defined IT risks and liabilities from a legal perspective. If they eff up, they pay fines...their staffing is their problem. It's their job to protect our data which they take extremely seriously and introduced several auditing AI on top for system access (even for people like me supporting internally).

We just moved our HR offshore (company in Denmark) last year (moved from a ancient system to a much more advanced platform with AI frontend for employees that reduces half daily calls). So much better and full business liability and PHI covered. Remember tech giants like IBM/Google support worldwide customers (not just US) so if anything, they have a much wider grip of current and future IT trends/growth than most businesses who are still living in 2015. Funny bit is our employees never know this so we send out a regional survey for feedback on the new HR system and it scored over 87% and people loved it and said it worked so much better than the old system and it heavily reduced calls to CS as the AI would pick up and respond to most of the common questions/issues. No one even suspects that new system is now off shore and fully supported from there (but with US offices here in CA).

Needless to say, we are saving millions by doing this move and in return, getting far better advanced tech/platforms and full around the clock 24 hr support (inc public holidays)...all at a contract fee.

My 2 pecos ;).
 

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.........their talent and work ethics are FAR BETTER than Western world ("I'm clocked out so don't bother me attitudes for most Americans".. "oh I can't work that shift cos my wife is having a baby shower"). .............
So work for free and forego family life events?
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