Stop/Start Issues?

[slothead]

No it didn't. This is in no way the functioning of this feature. You were probably texting.

what is texting?

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[MrZappo]

Read a lot of bashing on the Stop/Start feature and how the parts will wear out faster, blah, blah, blah... Looking for some real world experiences from those with long-term and/or high mileage ownership. I really like the feature and saving some gas is not a bad thing. Anyone have premature wear issues, oil consumption, broken starter/fly wheel, etc...? Thanks! And love having a Jeep that's a Truck! Best of both worlds!

This is politicians setting unrealistic Mpg requirements and engineers finding a way to eek our 1 percent (usually less) more Mpg across their entire fleet at the expense of the consumer so they can minimize the carbon penalties they need to pay.

Our Subaru Outback actually displays the time (spent not running) and the (aggregate fuel savings over time) in the display every time the system engages ...

So far after 4 months and 3000 miles we are approaching (a savings of 1 gallon of gas) ... At this rate we will save 3 gallons this year ... Or about $5.00 ...

Now, in the case of my Gladiator it would likely be marginally higher ... And the "pennies" it saves me I do not care about ... If you offset the savings with the cost of maintaining 2 batteries, Id speculate that I am in the RED ...

People (some people) would tell me that it helps the environment ... To that I say, Now I have 2 batteries that must be maintained and replaced. So, now I have doubled my battery contribution to landfills and or recycling costs/energy to do the recycling ...

I would guess that any study that considered ALL factors and was not just limited to fuel in/fuel out divided by mileage would indicate that these systems are a waste on numerous fronts ...

But, that is not how it works ... These things are in there to fill a narrative and to show "how environmental conscious we are !!!" And when telling a story, sometimes you have to leave out the inconvenient chapters ...

These things are nothing more than feel good nonsense ...

 

[Hawkeyes3312]

This is politicians setting unrealistic Mpg requirements and engineers finding a way to eek our 1 percent (usually less) more Mpg across their entire fleet at the expense of the consumer so they can minimize the carbon penalties they need to pay.

Our Subaru Outback actually displays the time (spent not running) and the (aggregate fuel savings over time) in the display every time the system engages ...

So far after 4 months and 3000 miles we are approaching (a savings of 1 gallon of gas) ... At this rate we will save 3 gallons this year ... Or about $5.00 ...

Now, in the case of my Gladiator it would likely be marginally higher ... And the "pennies" it saves me I do not care about ... If you offset the savings with the cost of maintaining 2 batteries, Id speculate that I am in the RED ...

People (some people) would tell me that it helps the environment ... To that I say, Now I have 2 batteries that must be maintained and replaced. So, now I have doubled my battery contribution to landfills and or recycling costs/energy to do the recycling ...

I would guess that any study that considered ALL factors and was not just limited to fuel in/fuel out divided by mileage would indicate that these systems are a waste on numerous fronts ...

But, that is not how it works ... These things are in there to fill a narrative and to show "how environmental conscious we are !!!" And when telling a story, sometimes you have to leave out the inconvenient chapters ...

These things are nothing more than feel good nonsense ...

Amen! Let's politicize this even more and throw in Global Warming! (sarcasm)...

 

[Hawkeyes3312]

what is texting?

The thing you were doing when you smashed into a BMW and attempted to blame it on ESS so that you weren't liable.

 

[MrZappo]

Amen! Let's politicize this even more and throw in Global Warming! (sarcasm)...

I didn't politicize anything ... I mentioned politicians (mostly idiots on both sides) ... I could not care less if this is a right or left thing. Many guilty parties on both "sides" ... But it is a "dumb thing" ....

If you would like to make a counter point have at it .. I'm always willing to learn ... But from my perspective, this is how I see it ...

(No sarcasm) ...

 

[WK2JT]

This is politicians setting unrealistic Mpg requirements and engineers finding a way to eek our 1 percent (usually less) more Mpg across their entire fleet at the expense of the consumer so they can minimize the carbon penalties they need to pay.

Our Subaru Outback actually displays the time (spent not running) and the (aggregate fuel savings over time) in the display every time the system engages ...

So far after 4 months and 3000 miles we are approaching (a savings of 1 gallon of gas) ... At this rate we will save 3 gallons this year ... Or about $5.00 ...

Now, in the case of my Gladiator it would likely be marginally higher ... And the "pennies" it saves me I do not care about ... If you offset the savings with the cost of maintaining 2 batteries, Id speculate that I am in the RED ...

People (some people) would tell me that it helps the environment ... To that I say, Now I have 2 batteries that must be maintained and replaced. So, now I have doubled my battery contribution to landfills and or recycling costs/energy to do the recycling ...

I would guess that any study that considered ALL factors and was not just limited to fuel in/fuel out divided by mileage would indicate that these systems are a waste on numerous fronts ...

But, that is not how it works ... These things are in there to fill a narrative and to show "how environmental conscious we are !!!" And when telling a story, sometimes you have to leave out the inconvenient chapters ...

These things are nothing more than feel good nonsense ...

But, but, but batteries are good for the environment... I mean why else would they make all those green electric cars with them? ;-)

 

[Cajun4X4]

This is politicians setting unrealistic Mpg requirements and engineers finding a way to eek our 1 percent (usually less) more Mpg across their entire fleet at the expense of the consumer so they can minimize the carbon penalties they need to pay.

Our Subaru Outback actually displays the time (spent not running) and the (aggregate fuel savings over time) in the display every time the system engages ...

So far after 4 months and 3000 miles we are approaching (a savings of 1 gallon of gas) ... At this rate we will save 3 gallons this year ... Or about $5.00 ...

Now, in the case of my Gladiator it would likely be marginally higher ... And the "pennies" it saves me I do not care about ... If you offset the savings with the cost of maintaining 2 batteries, Id speculate that I am in the RED ...

People (some people) would tell me that it helps the environment ... To that I say, Now I have 2 batteries that must be maintained and replaced. So, now I have doubled my battery contribution to landfills and or recycling costs/energy to do the recycling ...

I would guess that any study that considered ALL factors and was not just limited to fuel in/fuel out divided by mileage would indicate that these systems are a waste on numerous fronts ...

But, that is not how it works ... These things are in there to fill a narrative and to show "how environmental conscious we are !!!" And when telling a story, sometimes you have to leave out the inconvenient chapters ...

These things are nothing more than feel good nonsense ...

So blah, blah, blah... and on it goes!! All I asked is if anyone has had REAL LIFE experiences with parts wearing out. If I were really environmental conscious (and I am sure this applies to many of us), I would not have bought a vehicle that is designed to drive through areas most environmentalists don't want us to go. So back to my original question; Have YOU had any parts wear out because of the stop/start function? No, move on. I could care less about the reasons why or governmental regulations surrounding said function. Thanks, have a great day!

 

[Willys2Gladiator]

Any link to the Genesis dual battery set up?

 

[Hawkeyes3312]

So blah, blah, blah... and on it goes!! All I asked is if anyone has had REAL LIFE experiences with parts wearing out. If I were really environmental conscious (and I am sure this applies to many of us), I would not have bought a vehicle that is designed to drive through areas most environmentalists don't want us to go. So back to my original question; Have YOU had any parts wear out because of the stop/start function? No, move on. I could care less about the reasons why or governmental regulations surrounding said function. Thanks, have a great day!

If anyone answers YES, how does that information help you or what behavioral changes will you make personally? Turn the damn thing off. The answer is NO.

 

[Mr._Bill]

Any link to the Genesis dual battery set up?

https://www.genesisoffroad.com/dual-battery-kits

 

[jebiruph]

Any link to the Genesis dual battery set up?

There's a thread discussing it on the wrangler forum.

 

[TrailHiker]

Mine has not caused any issues. Works as intended. I had a starter batrery go flat on a Volt, and it would not run, until it got charged back up. The car had been in a shop for more than 30 days, and the battery dropped below its charge level to get charged back by the car. So these systems are not fool proof, but they work as designed most of the time.
cheers

 

[Willys2Gladiator]

https://www.genesisoffroad.com/dual-battery-kits

Much appreciated.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So blah, blah, blah... and on it goes!! All I asked is if anyone has had REAL LIFE experiences with parts wearing out. If I were really environmental conscious (and I am sure this applies to many of us), I would not have bought a vehicle that is designed to drive through areas most environmentalists don't want us to go. So back to my original question; Have YOU had any parts wear out because of the stop/start function? No, move on. I could care less about the reasons why or governmental regulations surrounding said function. Thanks, have a great day!

As a long-time mechanic - bet you won't see any REAL LIFE FACTUAL examples. You will get failures blamed on it, sure........... but it's not that much different than a car like mine with the engine having over 133,000 miles on it before the starter wore out - and a ton of short drives. That was 1994 technology. I rebuilt the starter and expect it to run another 100,000+ These things start within a revolution or two.
I personally believe the hate is more a matter of "control over what I own" and not so much anything based on science or research. It's push-back not based on anything solid, just hate of the technology and speculation.

My wife wanted it fixed when her's stopped working - we saw it actually made a difference in her long-term mpg when it stopped working (main battery bad in the end, they replaced both).
I have learned to manipulate it with my foot. If I don't drive like I'm 16 sliding up to stop signs and planting my foot with 200 pounds of force on the rod to the master cylinder, it won't shut down unless I want it to. And when it does - so what? It's not like we're trying to get our reaction time down to .02 seconds when that bottom light turns green. It's running before I'd normally start moving anyway - because I watch conditions around me and relax my foot a bit and by the time the car ahead of me has moved, I'm already starting to move.

You'll get a lot of complaints, but you won't get a proven failure that is absolutely due to ess -other than battery failures - and my dealer told me that they have had a rash of battery failures - MAIN batteries - they ended up having to replace the main battery on my wife's Jeep - they say there's been a lot of battery troubles.
Idling produces more pollutants than other driving because it normally runs richer than cruising speeds. And in big cities, that's a huge issue - I have a large PDF with cities, towns, counties, parishes, states and other locations that have enacted laws about idling - and the list is growing because of IDLING. That's the biggest polluter.
and no, disclosure, I'm not in the consensus group...........as far as that topic goes. I also own and drive a 73 car that gets a whopping 10 mpg, has dual 4bbl carbs shoving about 1100 cfm into the engine.

 

[wannajeep]

By 9K miles ESS has caused no problems for me.

Personally, don't like the ESS "feature" but hitting the disable button has been easy. My main gripe is the added complexity (such as secondary battery, another something to replace) and the fact that this alleged gas saving feature is another example of dumbing down, catering to those who aren't aware enough to shut the motor off on long stops, training them to rely more on others instead of themselves. Not saying there isn't a place for automation. If the ultimate goal is saving gas and reducing emissions, a campaign on combining trips might - overall - be less costly, less complex, and instill some good habits (planning ahead) that can translate to things other than driving.

Just to show I'm not a total curmudgeon I love some new-fangled features that I thought I'd dislike, such as the mandatory backup camera. Initially dismissed it as *&#@(*&)%_@$_@ but absolutely love it for safety and convenience.

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