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Didn’t mean for it to sound so negative - just thinking that the more efforT you put into making it not misfire, could result in the condition going unresolved until after the warranty expires. Not to. mention the hit you take on gas wasted just warming up for 10 minutes!
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Didn’t mean for it to sound so negative - just thinking that the more efforT you put into making it not misfire, could result in the condition going unresolved until after the warranty expires. Not to. mention the hit you take on gas wasted just warming up for 10 minutes!
I didn’t take it negatively just wanted to clarify a little. The wasted gas while idling definitely bothers me but I have been trying to document everything since the first CEL came on. Since I was keeping a record of everything anyway, I decided to try changing my driving habits to see if that had any effect. I don’t know how much, if any, help it will be to my service department, but they said the more information the better. What they don’t know is that I am a little OCD so all these notes may come as a shock to them!
 

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I didn’t take it negatively just wanted to clarify a little. The wasted gas while idling definitely bothers me but I have been trying to document everything since the first CEL came on. Since I was keeping a record of everything anyway, I decided to try changing my driving habits to see if that had any effect. I don’t know how much, if any, help it will be to my service department, but they said the more information the better. What they don’t know is that I am a little OCD so all these notes may come as a shock to them!
From my misfire experience and documentation, the CEL "always" set when first started AND driving off - hot or cold. It never set the CEL while on the road driving - only when just off-idle.

My misfire problem was resolved with an Intake Cam replacement some months back but that was the problem with my Gladiator. Like the typical disclaimer: "you may have different results".

Stay with the documentation, find a dealer you can trust and press onward - it can be fixed!
 

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From my misfire experience and documentation, the CEL "always" set when first started AND driving off - hot or cold. It never set the CEL while on the road driving - only when just off-idle.

My misfire problem was resolved with an Intake Cam replacement some months back but that was the problem with my Gladiator. Like the typical disclaimer: "you may have different results".

Stay with the documentation, find a dealer you can trust and press onward - it can be fixed!
Yes, that sounds exactly the same as mine. Today, after highway driving for an hour, I stopped for 10 minutes to grab something for lunch, so the engine was still up to temp. Within 30 seconds of pulling out of the parking lot, I had 45. Nineteen misfires on 2, seventeen on 4, one on 6, and four each on 1 and 3. Thirty minutes later when I pulled in at the office it was still at 45. I will mention your resolution to my service department. That might not be it on mine but it is great to hear they found a solution for yours.

My dealer has been very helpful and the service reps I’ve talked with seem to genuinely care. They are a small town family owned dealership and I have always had much better results dealing with people who are local. I have faith that it can be solved, just worried that it may take a while.
 

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Ok so I bought a 2020 gladiator rubicon a few months back. Had only 14,000 miles on it. Couldn’t figure out why I got such a rockin deal on it until. Dun dun dunnnnnn. Well I’m here so you guessed it. Took a trip to the Adirondacks and had it almost ruined when the engine and auto stop lights came on. Started flashing going up a mountain road. I turned it off. Waited a little while then turned it back on and it ran good enough to get back to camp. The next day. Light was gone. I took it into the dealer and they said no updates have ever been done on it and they did a mass update and reset everything. Well the second day I had it back it did it all again. Made a service appointment but they couldn’t take my jeep for another week because they where all booked up. So just got word that my jeep has had the misfire code both times. The first time was cylinder six. This time it was the whole passenger side misfiring constantly. They changed spark plugs and coils. Nothing changed. Now it’s been escalated to the engineers. Service is talking bad internals in the engine. I got a bad feeling about this and really love my gladiator. I don't want to lemon law her. This thread is crazy. I wish I knew all of this before wasting a ton of money. Engineers if your reading this contact me. I want it fixed right. Hell even if it means a new engine like I ve been reading. And mine was built in October 2019. So it falls right in line with all these horrible issues. I don’t know what to do. The service place is so backed up with these issues they dont even have a loaner car for me. So that might screw me out work too.
 

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Engines can come up to heat quite quickly just at idle.
No, not really. That thinking dates back decades and it's not real. I'd call it a myth. Any expert will tell you it's a poor way to warm an engine and does more damage than good in the long run.

The quickest way to warm an engine is with a load, driving it. Idling is not only harder on them, but doesn't actually warm them up quickly. You can't go by the coolant temperature...............

Sure, there may be cold start conditions that trigger this event, but we’re not at a new place with the internal combustion engine here. So, Engineering should be tasked to design a better warm up procedure, or determine more precise specifications on the integration of spark plugs, wires, coil packs, computer Systems, integrated chips and / or algorithms!
Having been a pro mechanic for decades, not sure where to even start on that one.
Combustion is combustion, the burn process. Warm up procedure? Drive it! That's the BEST way to warm an engine. Give it a few seconds to get oil to all parts then drive it. Idling is a piss-poor and slow way to warm things.
Idling also means richer mixtures, more by-products in the crankcase.
 

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My dealership has had my truck today to check out the misfires and try to come up with a fix. They were able to see the stored P0300 code and monitor the misfires but could not offer a solution. I was told that the reply they were given from Jeep is that they are aware of the problem with some of the 22 Gladiators and are working on it but at this time there is nothing authorized as a repair. My service advisor told me the cam replacements they have done on the 20 and 21 year models have not been approved for 2022s. I’m not happy about the situation but I don’t know what else to do right now. The only actual problem I’ve had is that when the CEL came on this last time, the engine shut off. It started back though and has driven fine. I am going to talk to the GM when I pick it up. He’s been good and even offered a loaner but if what the service department told me is true, their hands are kind of tied.
 

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When I picked the Jeep up at the dealership this evening, they gave me the publication below. The paper tells them to perform the published diagnostic routine for code P0300. If the diagnostic directs to a condition of trouble not found, no repair is recommended. It also says that engineering is investigating the issue. In my case, trouble was not found so there was nothing recommended.

After talking with the GM and the service manager for half an hour, they said my options are to either (A) wait for the Stellantis engineers to contact them with a recommended repair, (B) continue driving it until it happens again then bring it back in and let them dig deeper, or (C) open a star case. The dealership is sympathetic and willing to work with me. On one hand my gut tells me to open a star case and let them get to the bottom of it. On the other, I am not sure if this is a serious problem or not because I cannot hear or feel anything at all from the engine that I would call a misfire.

The decision is mine but since there are many people on here who are much more knowledgeable than me, I am asking for advice. Is a star case the best way to get to the bottom of a misfire problem or do you think it would be best to wait until it gets worse and let them take another look?

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My service advisor told me the cam replacements they have done on the 20 and 21 year models have not been approved for 2022s
That is probably because they in sequenced the updated cam part number revision into 2022 model vehicles during production. Unless the new cams have a manufacturing defect they have not yet determined, throwing in new cams onto a 2022 model would not be warranted yet.
 

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When I picked the Jeep up at the dealership this evening, they gave me the publication below. The paper tells them to perform the published diagnostic routine for code P0300. If the diagnostic directs to a condition of trouble not found, no repair is recommended. It also says that engineering is investigating the issue. In my case, trouble was not found so there was nothing recommended.

After talking with the GM and the service manager for half an hour, they said my options are to either (A) wait for the Stellantis engineers to contact them with a recommended repair, (B) continue driving it until it happens again then bring it back in and let them dig deeper, or (C) open a star case. The dealership is sympathetic and willing to work with me. On one hand my gut tells me to open a star case and let them get to the bottom of it. On the other, I am not sure if this is a serious problem or not because I cannot hear or feel anything at all from the engine that I would call a misfire.

The decision is mine but since there are many people on here who are much more knowledgeable than me, I am asking for advice. Is a star case the best way to get to the bottom of a misfire problem or do you think it would be best to wait until it gets worse and let them take another look?

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FWIW, If it were me, I’d drive it and press on. Right or wrong, I said to myself, if it blows up, it blows up. Having said this, I was very frustrated with the whole process and why it took months.

The right side, intake cam was the fix in my case - I would say that it was a manufacturing defect - a bad profile or lobs out of phase. Something minor but enough to cause problems. Surely they have an engine number or chassis number range of the affected vehicles but, who really knows?

After the cam was replaced, the idle is so smooth, I can hardly tell it’s running. Before, it was lumpy. Not a noticeable missfire but not smooth.

Keep the faith, even with all the aggravation I went through, I still love my Gladiator and plan to keep it for a long time.
 

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That is probably because they in sequenced the updated cam part number revision into 2022 model vehicles during production. Unless the new cams have a manufacturing defect they have not yet determined, throwing in new cams onto a 2022 model would not be warranted yet.
That makes sense.
 

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FWIW, If it were me, I’d drive it and press on. Right or wrong, I said to myself, if it blows up, it blows up. Having said this, I was very frustrated with the whole process and why it took months.

The right side, intake cam was the fix in my case - I would say that it was a manufacturing defect - a bad profile or lobs out of phase. Something minor but enough to cause problems. Surely they have an engine number or chassis number range of the affected vehicles but, who really knows?

After the cam was replaced, the idle is so smooth, I can hardly tell it’s running. Before, it was lumpy. Not a noticeable missfire but not smooth.

Keep the faith, even with all the aggravation I went through, I still love my Gladiator and plan to keep it for a long time.
That is what I am thinking also. Just drive it and see what happens. This weekend is supposed to be in the lower 90s so I’m going to take the top and doors off again and drive around town to see if I notice anything at all odd. Even with all the misfires, I have not heard or felt anything out of place. There is a slight tick coming from the passenger side of the engine but to me, it just sounds like a 6 cylinder. In my very limited experience, I have a hard time believing this is a purely mechanical issue. If there were actually 60 misfires across multiple cylinders in less than a minute, that should be noticeable. To me, it seems more like a software problem. I’ll spend a few hours in it this weekend and see if I notice anything.
 

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What exact codes did it throw: P0300 @ 200 miles, now P0305 @310 miles
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If so, what has been done to try to solve the issue? Will take it to the dealer in the morning
Was the issue ever fully resolved? N

Jeep is not even a week old. 2022 Jeep Gladiator Mojave Gobi color.
 

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Build date: 071913. 07/19/2022 1pm
Mileage when it first occurred: 200
How many times has it occurred: 2
What exact codes did it throw: P0300 @ 200 miles, now P0305 @310 miles
Is the issue on going? Y
If so, what has been done to try to solve the issue? Will take it to the dealer in the morning
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Jeep is not even a week old. 2022 Jeep Gladiator Mojave Gobi color.
I feel for you. At least I had a few months before mine started. My 22 Rubicon was in the shop after throwing p0300 on Wednesday with no resolution. The dealer told me I can either drive it until it happens again or leave it and open a star case. My misfires have been going on for a couple months but the 3.6 hasn’t sounded rough at all and if not for throwing codes p0304 and p0300, I wouldn’t have known there was a problem. I'm going to continue using it and just keep an eye on it. If it gets to the point of being noticeable, I’ll try the star case and see what happens.


Out of curiosity, can you hear or feel your misfires? Since the first check engine light, I’ve been using Jscan to live monitor the engine while driving. Almost all my misfires happen withing the first minute or two after putting it into gear and that has been when the light came on also.
 

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I feel for you. At least I had a few months before mine started. My 22 Rubicon was in the shop after throwing p0300 on Wednesday with no resolution. The dealer told me I can either drive it until it happens again or leave it and open a star case. My misfires have been going on for a couple months but the 3.6 hasn’t sounded rough at all and if not for throwing codes p0304 and p0300, I wouldn’t have known there was a problem. I'm going to continue using it and just keep an eye on it. If it gets to the point of being noticeable, I’ll try the star case and see what happens.


Out of curiosity, can you hear or feel your misfires? Since the first check engine light, I’ve been using Jscan to live monitor the engine while driving. Almost all my misfires happen withing the first minute or two after putting it into gear and that has been when the light came on also.
Haven't noticed any weird sound really, but its so new that I haven't really been able to determine what is normal. Only thing I noticed on my way to the dealer this morning is that under the same conditions, cruise control at 65 on flat highway, my current MPG dropped from 23 MPG before the error code to 18 MPG on the display.

I had to drop it off and take an Uber home, this dealer has no loaners and he said he needed to submit the case to Chrysler for them to authorize a rental on Monday if needed. I will be driving my 2000 Wrangler TJ with 179,000 engine light free miles in the mean time. LOL
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