Whats is your opinion the jeeps engine stop start system?

[ASU_Greg]

I’m use to it now, not a bothersome issue.

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[Lost1wing]

Eh.... Most new vehicles come with it now. If you want a new vehicle, suck it up. If you don't want it get an older Jeep or vehicle.

"If it has an engine and/or wheels, it will have issues"

Your last quote is missing something and I not talking about " if it floats".

 

[Stan H]

Dislike, but I appreciate having a button to disable it so close to the starter button. Really, I can live with one more button to push.

I can't do this anymore life is already hard enough ,my finger hurts I am developing arthritis and push button finger in my right index finger ... I will make fun of ESS every chance I get . If my opinion could garner a result it would disappear from my truck alas I am stuck with it and am gonna have to get a lawyer and sue for physical disability and mental anguish.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Oh we get the point but your continuous gaslighting over an obviously unpopular system to some and your pontification over other people’s opinions that don’t agree with your opinion is getting as annoying as the ESS is to some of those here.
Do you have a turn off button like the ESS?

For the record, I avoid these kind of responses because I don’t like negative posts, but come on Bill, give us a break.

Yeah - I get it. And there's no use more comebacks, I've done all I could to point a few things out
If people want to know what it monitors or doesn't monitor, how it works or doesn't, they can ask.

I was mulling that over the other day because I don’t like overriding complex systems and came to the conclusion that it is better to use the system as designed and use the override button provided even though I have to press it every time I start the Jeep.
It’s pretty much a natural habit now.

we get in and press that big button - it's just another one. .I bet more people fiddle with the radio and other controls, phones or whatever and never a complaint.
So press the button. No harm. Muscle memory. Simple as heck. Problem solved.
(If I had a manual transmission in mine - I'd probably dislike it, too)

 

[Lost1wing]

If a person doesn't want to modify the system and just not have to push the button all the time you can simply just disconnect the hood plunger to eliminate having to remember to push the button inside the jeep.

This would eliminate the ability to see if you have the battery charging message. I'd rather see the condition of the batteries than hood ajar.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This would eliminate the ability to see if you have the battery charging message. I'd rather see the condition of the batteries than hood ajar.

That's another thing it does for me - helps me monitor the health of the vehicle, especially the batteries, but other factors as well.
The point of pressing the button or using tazer to remember the last button press/condition is to avoid those annoying error lights on the cluster. We have enough of those as it is.

 

[RHINO79]

This would eliminate the ability to see if you have the battery charging message. I'd rather see the condition of the batteries than hood ajar.

Battery charging message? I'm not sure what you mean by that ,could you enlighten me please

 

[Chestnut]

(If I had a manual transmission in mine - I'd probably dislike it, too)

It's not bad with a Manual in my 4 years of ownership I've only had it cause weird situation twice. Both times all that resulted was being slow away from a light by 5 seconds. Honestly the system with a MT opens up a lot of situations where it's really nice. ESS triggers and you want engine to stay off slide the trans into first and the engine won't start any more. As a road engineer i use this a lot during inspections, pull the parking brake, hop out take a picture, hop back in drop the brake push the clutch and then go.

The other benefit is if i know I don't want the engine to stop, just hold the clutch. System won't kill the engine if the clutch is depressed.

what it monitors or doesn't monitor, how it works or doesn't, they can ask.

During this winter there were multiple times it never functioned during 30 degree days when i was expecting it to. Is there a trigger if the engine hasn't run at temp for x period of time? Voltages all looked good and the ESS message just said not ready.

 

[Lost1wing]

When I see battery charging for more than 30 minutes, that tells me to plug in the NOCO. Still hauling the original batteries around from Sept 19 build date.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Battery charging message? I'm not sure what you mean by that ,could you enlighten me please

Auto start/stop not ready, battery charging on the JT

Auxiliary switches not available, battery charging on JT and JLU 4xe

Indicates you really need to pay attention to your vehicle's batteries, their condition, or how often you drive or don't drive, and how far you drive or don't drive.

Both errors mean:
LOW battery voltage detected - you have a problem.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It's not bad with a Manual in my 4 years of ownership I've only had it cause weird situation twice. Both times all that resulted was being slow away from a light by 5 seconds. Honestly the system with a MT opens up a lot of situations where it's really nice. ESS triggers and you want engine to stay off slide the trans into first and the engine won't start any more. As a road engineer i use this a lot during inspections, pull the parking brake, hop out take a picture, hop back in drop the brake push the clutch and then go.

The other benefit is if i know I don't want the engine to stop, just hold the clutch. System won't kill the engine if the clutch is depressed.


During this winter there were multiple times it never functioned during 30 degree days when i was expecting it to. Is there a trigger if the engine hasn't run at temp for x period of time? Voltages all looked good and the ESS message just said not ready.

Cold temps lower battery capacity, as well as cause the need for higher charging voltages.
It takes longer and takes higher voltage to charge cold batteries.
It detects engine coolant temperature, I believe transmission temperature, cat temperatures, torque on the steering wheel (are you leaning on the wheel a bit?), steering angle, roughly 30+ things are monitored.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It's not bad with a Manual in my 4 years of ownership I've only had it cause weird situation twice. Both times all that resulted was being slow away from a light by 5 seconds. Honestly the system with a MT opens up a lot of situations where it's really nice. ESS triggers and you want engine to stay off slide the trans into first and the engine won't start any more. As a road engineer i use this a lot during inspections, pull the parking brake, hop out take a picture, hop back in drop the brake push the clutch and then go.

The other benefit is if i know I don't want the engine to stop, just hold the clutch. System won't kill the engine if the clutch is depressed.

Well, there you go - a great example of my "opinion" based on a couple of people with manual transmissions complaining that it was nothing but trouble! i guess I made my own point there.

 

[Lost1wing]

Battery charging message? I'm not sure what you mean by that ,could you enlighten me please

If you enable ESS and go to the ESS page you will see a message. What you see when you first start of the day is Stop Start not ready engine not warmed up. Once that happens, "You" should see hood open. Once the Jeep meets all of the requirements it should say StopStart Ready. After a few Stop starts in a row, you may see "not ready" only. If your batteries are not up to par, you may see " not ready battery charging". This is over looked by many. Several people come here and say their Jeep wouldn't start, lots of lights appeared and told me to pull over or it shut off completely and said it never gave a warning. Well, ESS page would have been that warning if it was just looked at.

 

[AmosMoses]

Well I guess I was wrong after all because I claimed only 4 people on this forum liked their ESS. It's a little higher than that.

A couple people here are cult-ish about ESS and that is totally fine with me. However, I do not like or appreciate these people projecting beliefs others have espoused, in past arguments, to my own beliefs or opinions.

I got rid of my auxiliary battery because I don't use it and have a tazer. Now I only have to worry about 1 battery that is easy to access. To make blanket statements that people like me are stupid and will believe anything they read on the internet is lazy and arrogant. Practice a little humility.

 

[Flyboy2109]

I date myself...When the engine stops I think it failed.
Has to be hard on systems...how many starters will it eat?
How many low oil pressure restarts will the engine endure?
ShadowsPapa, I am allowed to like and dislike things as MY choice, based on my knowledge and ignorance, thank you.

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