Jeep to stop stocking popular gas models in Delaware ( no politics please)

[rharr]

So how about jump on the vehicles that are not EV, not hybrid, etc. and get 30+ mpg so pay far less fuel tax, and no more license fee.

Thats my point, the old gas tax model does work.

your 4xe is not a good example of a hybrid, when i think hybrid i think 50mpg prius, that can be sneaky and game the system by not using lots of gas and paying less road maintenance cost through the gas tax.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Thats my point, the old gas tax model does work.

your 4xe is not a good example of a hybrid, when i think hybrid i think 50mpg prius, that can be sneaky and game the system by not using lots of gas and paying less road maintenance cost through the gas tax.

Hybrid SUVs, excluding the Wrangler - get in the 30s. Hybrid cars - the small sedans, get ~45 or so.
So you have to go small to get that type of mpg.
Heck, a standard 3.6 Grand Cherokee can push over 25 mpg.

This chart is highway then city.
GENERALLY speaking - hybrids don't do well on pure highway driving. If I did mostly highway, hybrid would be the last thing I'd get. Great city and commuting, not so great on highway - no regeneration!
We had several hybrid vehicles as state cars......... wasn't really impressed on long trips between our offices.

Year/model highway city combined

 

[Hootbro]

ALL of our power averages out to about $0.083/kWh
That means charging the EV costs the same as any other device we have as far as kWh costs. Heat pump - same price/kWh.
There's no subsidy. Our costs are just that low.
And since the 4Xe is a PHEV, yeah, it does only take a bit over a dollar to charge it.
It's on the same circuit as the rest of the garage. Same panel which is fed off our house panel. And I charge it during any hour of the day for that.
For all they know, I'm running an A/C unit in the garage or whatever.

(I do expect the cost to increase as we hit the summer rate period in June)

Yeah, that about confirms what I thought. I have only found electrical utility subsidy's for home charging station installs, nothing about subsidizing the actual kWh rate. Reduce rates for off peak times that most people with EV's will charge during is not a subsidy.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah, that about confirms what I thought. I have only found electrical utility subsidy's for home charging station installs, nothing about subsidizing the actual kWh rate. Reduce rates for off peak times that most people with EV's will charge during is not a subsidy.

And in Iowa, there's no subsidy for EVs. At least not this year. There was last year a credit for purchase of a level II charger.
The rates are what they are. Doesn't matter what you use the electricity for. It costs the same.
You can apply for night time rates but if you don't use enough, the rate structure can actually cost you more. If we owned a couple of full EVs, it might be worth it.
You can get a credit for letting them shut down your A/C compressor (on legacy type systems) or adjust your AC thermostat setting for a few minutes a day (for heat pumps) if you want. I think it's a $30 credit annually. It's a peak demand sort of thing. If they are maxing out they could bump your AC temp up a couple of degrees for a while.
But EV - you pay the same to run your furnace, your fridge, or your well pump, as you do charging an EV. There's no different rate for the electricity. A kWh is a kWh.

 

[Mr._Bill]

I have seen reports of places where the electric company offers a special rate for EV charging, but those installs required a separate meter for the charger.

My charger is attached to the meter and panel that was put in for the well. It has a lower rate than the house, but it includes a monthly demand charge for the highest amount you pull at once. I configured the charger settings so the maximum draw is 16 amps instead of the 32 it is capable of. Charging takes a little longer, but it helps keep the cost down.

We opted against the time of use rates they offer here. The house is always occupied, so that would just cost more, especially during the summer.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

We opted against the time of use rates they offer here. The house is always occupied, so that would just cost more, especially during the summer.

MidAmerican's own web site warns the time of use rates aren't for everyone...... they work great for some but not all people.
I don't have a schedule set in the Jeep - it just starts charging when it's plugged in. But you can program the Jeep itself for time of day, or the level II charger, either way.
All power for our property comes through the same meter - into the house. Then the garage is a 60 amp subpanel from the house, and my shop is a 100 amp subpanel from the house. Run the air compressor in my shop - it comes through the house meter, the house panel, through the cable to the shop panel.

 

[kennyglm]

As they should, You use the road and tear it up to so pay for it. Just because the current taxing model (aka gas tax) is out of date and doesn't account for EV or hybrid doesn't mean they should pay their fair share too.

Hybrid is the sneaky one, they pay gas tax but very little.

I suspect the road tax model will be changing in the future and be based on a common variable such as weight. 10 cents per pound based of GVW paid as part of your registration. But then someone will say i don't drive my car on the street or i only drive it x miles per year.... anyway not my problem, let the law makers make some laws.

i agree with you

 

[DirkG]

“because we are considered a ‘California state.’”

So sorry Delaware. For the record, most Californians hate that we're a California state.

 

[chorky]

or hybrid doesn't mean they should pay their fair share too.

Hybrid is the sneaky one, they pay gas tax but very little.

I suspect the road tax model will be changing in the future and be based on a common variable such as weight. 10 cents per pound based of GVW paid as part of your registration

Yeah except the law makers make some good, some ok, and many terrible laws. So if they make a bad law that effectively punishes you personally more than someone else, then it becomes your problem. It is wise to always participate in such things.

Not sure I call it penalize. You want the streets, you want pot holes fixed (and trust me, you'd bitch if they weren't and you want snow cleared or emergency responses to accidents - so, who's gonna pay for that?



LOL - where'd you get "the sneaky one". Hybrids pay a lot more in annual registrations. Ask me how I know...........
I did some math and frankly, we end up paying MORE because we still, as a hybrid, only get about 20 mpg in hybrid mode and that's about the same as what a 3.6 Jeep would get.

So depending on how you use a vehicle like a 4xe, it may actually be more than your fair share.
We pay a larger annual license fee, but there are standard ICE vehicles that get roughly the same mpg and pay no extra tax.
So how about jump on the vehicles that are not EV, not hybrid, etc. and get 30+ mpg so pay far less fuel tax, and no more license fee.

I would be very happy without salt spray on roads. that stuff is garbage. So we pay taxes for upkeep of roads, which includes winter plowing/salting. But I dont get a check back every year for maintenance done to my vehicles due to their choice of winter road maintenance methods. Then to add to it every year it seems they are repaving the entire highway/interstate because the plows all winter long just destroy what they paved last year - its a recurring negative feedback loop. And I can't just 'opt out'. Nah - I would rather chain up on all 4's all winter long than have de-iced roads.

Is the amount you pay extra for annual registration for the hybrid significant? I wonder if it is based on some type of percentage of reduced fuel usage or if it's just a flat fee.

 

[Gren71]

So…back to Delaware…

There was a large ground swell from both parties ( the uniparty ) that pushed back against Denrec proposing the requirement similar to comi-cali. There are currently two bills…a house bill and a senate bill…that both forbid the implementation of that regulation (in its current form) and prevent the un elected staff of denrec from having so much sway over public policy. Denrec will still be required to make proposals, but they will only be suggestions and taken under advisement by an elected body. Which IMO is how it should be. Even if I hate the policy at least it comes from a representative “accountable” to the citizens. I believe the HB made it our of committee and should be up for a vote soon. But id have to double check the legis website.

DE is however, working hard at becoming a miniature comi-cali and even mentions California in a hand full of bills to site the efficacy of the proposal…which is dubious at best.

im with you @Hootbro and have zero intention of retiring here. Im just stuck in the dead middle of the retirement sprint and have to find a way to not down in blue before i can leave.

 

[redriderjf87]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Have fun being a California state.

 

[Gren71]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Have fun being a California state.

Its a sad decline :-/

 

[GHWillys]

DE is however, working hard at becoming a miniature comi-cali and even mentions California in a hand full of bills to site the efficacy of the proposal…which is dubious at best.

As a resident of a neighbor to your north, I won't care until I can no longer buy tax free booze on my way to and from the beach.

 

[Gren71]

As a resident of a neighbor to your north, I won't care until I can no longer buy tax free booze on my way to and from the beach.

Not me or my meme. But i feel like it applies every time Im on the highway

 

[GHWillys]

Not me or my meme. But i feel like it applies every time Im on the highway

I don't live in either of those states so it's cool with me.

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