Report: 2024 Gladiator Reveal @ NAIAS in Sept | Production Begins November | Gladiator 4xe PHEV Replacing Diesel

[Deleted member 57233]

If you go leasing: Lease it, when it is up lease a new model. Don't buy it. Buying it will be right about that time you can expect big bills. It is like the electric components, they have very obvious lifecycles on components

I'm not a fan of leasing. And I don't really put more than 3,000 miles a year on my vehicles, so the lifecycles of the components are quite a bit different for me.

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[PlayfulBird]

I'm not a fan of leasing. And I don't really put more than 3,000 miles a year on my vehicles, so the lifecycles of the components are quite a bit different for me.

They have vampire consumption (about 1% a day if not moved) and some tech ages if you use them or not...
Just something to think about.
Not to mention there will be recycling and ev taxes due to the heavier more powerful vehicles and more dust from wheels and brakes in the distant future you will be owning the vehicle in. Gov will find a way to get in the lost tax etc money from this tech as well, all the while maintenance and cost to fix and insure will be higher.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

They have vampire consumption (about 1% a day if not moved) and some tech ages if you use them or not...
Just something to think about.
Not to mention there will be recycling and ev taxes due to the heavier more powerful vehicles and more dust from wheels and brakes in the distant future you will be owning the vehicle in. Gov will find a way to get in the lost tax etc money from this tech as well, all the while maintenance and cost to fix and insure will be higher.

Yeah, the registration is an extra $75 a year for a plug in. My family has plug ins, and the maintenance is actually less. Battery replacements have become way cheaper, especially if you do it yourself. Brake wear is much less than a regular car as well. I suppose the extra weight could wear the tires more, but it's only 1,000lb or so. People bolt way more than 1,000lbs of stuff on the regular ones.

 

[AmosMoses]

7 members here are excited for a 4xe gladiator ?

 

[Sandevino]

Actually (for example)... according to the Jeep website builder the difference between the 2024 Rubicon 4xe and 2024 Rubicon with V6 & automatic transmission (like what the 4xe has) is currently $6690... or only $2940 if you include the available $3750 tax credit... and that's not taking into account the monthly / lifetime gas $avings. In short... you get MUCH more power and the upgrade pays for itself more and more the longer you own it. Also... your vehicle will be worth more (with higher resale) because it has the 4xe system. It's a no-brainer addition if you can afford it up front. (Side note: In my case the numbers were even better on my 2023 Wrangler 4xe as I got the full $7500 tax credit before they cut it in half.)

The same logic was used to talk people OUT OF the diesel option as the break even point was YEARS out.

Now, the same logic is used to talk people INTO the gas / electric hybrid and out of the V6 gas engine but the break even point is YEARS out..

The same logic is used in reverse to encourage you to go green. Where's the open discussion about the cost to replace the battery pack? What's the maintenance cost? What's the total cost of ownership?

If you have to incentivize someone to buy something because it's not selling on its own merit, you have to question why...

 

[Aleph]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on the possibility of full float rear axle? I just ordered a 2023 a month ago and wondering if it would be worth canceling for a 2024 gas model for this reason.

 

[Tom C]

The same logic was used to talk people OUT OF the diesel option as the break even point was YEARS out.

Now, the same logic is used to talk people INTO the gas / electric hybrid and out of the V6 gas engine but the break even point is YEARS out..

The same logic is used in reverse to encourage you to go green. Where's the open discussion about the cost to replace the battery pack? What's the maintenance cost? What's the total cost of ownership?

If you have to incentivize someone to buy something because it's not selling on its own merit, you have to question why...

What is the environmental impact to all of these EV and Hybrid batteries? Many Tesla batteries are aproaching 10 years old, and are difficult and expensive to recycle.

 

[Sandevino]

What is the environmental impact to all of these EV and Hybrid batteries? Many Tesla batteries are aproaching 10 years old, and are difficult and expensive to recycle.

Some enterprising individual should buy the strip mine locations and turn them into man-made lakes. Granted, the locales would be a bit of a turn-off to would-be tourists, but that's the job of the marketing team to overcome.

 

[ShrimpHappens]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on the possibility of full float rear axle? I just ordered a 2023 a month ago and wondering if it would be worth canceling for a 2024 gas model for this reason.

Don't know. The story has always been that engine compartment cooling capacity is the limiting factor on our tow rating.

 

[bleda2002]

What is the environmental impact to all of these EV and Hybrid batteries? Many Tesla batteries are aproaching 10 years old, and are difficult and expensive to recycle.

Tesla is a bad example as they have already solved the issue of battery recycling.

0% of Tesla batteries that aren't mangled in an accident reach the landfill currently. They are all recycled with 95% of their precious metal components recovered.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

I honestly don't care about the environmental impacts. I just like the tech. The instant torque and power of an electric motor can't be matched by an ICE. Even the weird little Hyundai plug ins are super fun to drive. Electric motorcycles are even more fun.

 

[Thumbszilla]

No savings when you have to replace the batteries. Dig deep when that happens.

That's a reasonable consideration, but don't forget that tech will have advanced and prices will have dropped over the next 10 years (when the battery warranty expires) before that's a concern. Additionally, it's not like the battery 100% dies at the 10 year mark. I'd also be willing to wager that most buyers will replace their vehicle before the 10 year mark so it will be more of a secondary market concern than a new vehicle concern.

 

[PlayfulBird]

The same logic was used to talk people OUT OF the diesel option as the break even point was YEARS out.

Now, the same logic is used to talk people INTO the gas / electric hybrid and out of the V6 gas engine but the break even point is YEARS out..

The same logic is used in reverse to encourage you to go green. Where's the open discussion about the cost to replace the battery pack? What's the maintenance cost? What's the total cost of ownership?

If you have to incentivize someone to buy something because it's not selling on its own merit, you have to question why...

I think thats my main thinking point aswell.

 

[PlayfulBird]

My family has plug ins,

I hear you and the tech is cool. As far as I am concerned, the Prius tech is the only advantageous working system the others are cool and fun but...
never mind though.

Curious what plug ins do they have and what age?
Here we are seeing vehicles between 4 and 8 years costing big bucks to keep road legal

 

[Deleted member 57233]

I hear you and the tech is cool. As far as I am concerned, the Prius tech is the only advantageous working system the others are cool and fun but...
nevermind thouhg.

Curious what plug ins do they have and what age?
Here we are seeing vehicles between 4 and 8 years costing big bucks to keep road legal

My sister has a 2014 prius plug in, my friend is in a 2006ish regular prius. My uncle is still driving a first gen Chevy Volt, and my Mom just got a new RAV4 plug in.

We replaced some dead cells in my friend's prius for like $300. I think buying the whole battery was just under $1000.

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