First real tow with the manual.....not good

[Zachattack50]

Oh, I believe you. I'm just genuinely curious why.

Stock on the left, your setup (theoretically) on the right:

Hopefully you can read the small print from my phone's screenshots.

You got me questioning myself now . It was a long 8hrs haha. I dont think its that low at 70mph, but now I'm going to look lol. That looks like a solid calculator too.

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[redriderjf87]

Rolling resistance, ehh, I usually run 28psi to get a good contact patch, for pulling I aired up to the tires rated 50psi, again negligible. Gearing only moves your power band, it does not add HP, hence why I pulled mainly in 4th gear to hold 3500rpm, 67 was 3900. I saw zero benefit if I ran 3rd at 65mph to get the r's to 4500. Thats whats leading me to believe she is just plain tapped out. Again, not impressed, and I wouldn't bet 5$ that a max tow would do any better. But it is a mini truck after all.

37s add a significant amount of rotating unsprung mass.
Regardless of gear ratio and rolling resistance (that probably increased also).

 

[bd100]

Checked the engine's air cleaner lately? Maybe full of cottonwood seeds or a mouse nest.

 

[ChrisNLA]

Its a shame because the diesel makes drastically more torque and hp at a reasonable rpm but then overheats its oil on any hill :\

Now youll get a 3.6l with less payload due to 600lbs of battery for 40ft lbs of torque next year. They really miss the mark on utility with these vehicles.

Assuming a Gladiator 4XE had the same engine specs as a Wrangler 4XE, you'd gain about 110 ft lbs torque over the 3.6L, and I'd imagine at lower RPM.

Payload - another animal all together. I'd be curious to see how that pans out.

I live in flat lands. If it wasn't for my short commute that is terrible for a diesel - I'd have seriously considered gambling on one.

 

[AustinL911]

Assuming a Gladiator 4XE had the same engine specs as a Wrangler 4XE, you'd gain about 110 ft lbs torque over the 3.6L, and I'd imagine at lower RPM.

For what? 5 miles?

 

[ChrisNLA]

For what? 5 miles?

I didn't consider the torque based on mode, so I probably stand corrected. If the maximum torque is only available when using full electric, then yes - not very helpful. I will have to read more about the modes and exactly what power is available when. Regardless - even the 290 ft tq would be an improvement though that's still an anemic engine compared to the other midsize trucks these days. The Colorado, Ranger, and Tacoma appear to be offering very stout numbers in gas engines.

But, I could commute with the full electric five days a week in a future 4XE Gladiator.....but that's a different topic.

 

[Sandevino]

The 4XE Gladiator may be a tough sell with only 24 MPE in STOCK form. The Wrangler Rubicon 4XE gets 11-12 MPE in real world off-road conditions.

Add 5-600# of gear to it and that MPE estimate drops like a brick. The 2.0L four-banger will be anemic at best moving that heavy beast around. Towing would be all but impossible or impractical.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Assuming a Gladiator 4XE had the same engine specs as a Wrangler 4XE, you'd gain about 110 ft lbs torque over the 3.6L, and I'd imagine at lower RPM.

Payload - another animal all together. I'd be curious to see how that pans out.

I live in flat lands. If it wasn't for my short commute that is terrible for a diesel - I'd have seriously considered gambling on one.

I'd bet if our 4xe had full floating axles, it would tow better than a 3.6 Gladiator.

The 4XE Gladiator may be a tough sell with only 24 MPE in STOCK form. The Wrangler Rubicon 4XE gets 11-12 MPE in real world off-road conditions.

Add 5-600# of gear to it and that MPE estimate drops like a brick. The 2.0L four-banger will be anemic at best moving that heavy beast around. Towing would be all but impossible or impractical.

You would almost never be on the 2.0 alone. We never saw any time where there wasn't some assist from the battery on our trip to/from Florida in March. It handled mountain roads without downshifting much if at all. My JT on the same trip was constantly shifting and had more of a struggle on those same highways.

Ignore that MPe BS - it's a load of crap, no one, not even the EPA, can figure it out.
the 4xe pros will say may as well redact it from any sticker or web site as it's worthless and the truth varies so wildly you can't nail them down.
Check out what they say about it in the dedicated 4xe forums (and I don't mean the small slot for the 4xe on the Wrangler forums)

 

[Zachattack50]

Here is the real world 6th vs 4th on flat ground cruise was set for each. So the majority of my trailor pulling was in 4th at 3100-3200 rpm.
I agree that is to the low side of optimum for power band, but it didn't make any notable difference if I ran it in 3rd at 65mph. I'm just summarizing she just don't got it. I am going to have my friend with a stock max tow hook onto it, because I'm not buying that will hold 65mph on a grade, and, if it does by some miracle, I bet it's at 5k rpm or better. That's just my theory, yet to be proven.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Wow, with my stock Overland automatic, I could take the 2% grades at 65 and 3300 rpm fine, and the other grades it dropped down and hit 4300 rpm or so to make the hills, but settled back down, and on the level it was in the mid-2,000s.
Something is really pulling the power back on that.

 

[Zachattack50]

Wow, with my stock Overland automatic, I could take the 2% grades at 65 and 3300 rpm fine, and the other grades it dropped down and hit 4300 rpm or so to make the hills, but settled back down, and on the level it was in the mid-2,000s.
Something is really pulling the power back on that.

Could it be its de rated as it's a manual? Rpm is rpm with the 5.13's it cruises fibe at 60mph in 6th when just running around. I'm still baffled that there is not response from 1/2 pedal to wot under load, I have never experienced that before.

 

[Zachattack50]

Also these pictures were unloaded, no trailor "normal driving" on flat ground.

 

[AustinL911]

Could it be its de rated as it's a manual? Rpm is rpm with the 5.13's it cruises fibe at 60mph in 6th when just running around. I'm still baffled that there is not response from 1/2 pedal to wot under load, I have never experienced that before.

I'm pretty sure it only pulls power if the nanny sensors think you've subjected it to conditions in which the stock clutch would overheat. If you aren't slipping the shit out of it, and it's not giving you an overheating warning (pending you've had the recall update), then it shouldn't be pulling power. I would think.

 

[LOGS]

Northern MN to the very southern tip of Texas in South Padre Island averaging 75mph. Never had an issue, averaged 14mpg with the VERY heavy 38x13.5s on stock 3.73 gearing. Go Ecodiesel!!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Never had an issue, averaged 14mpg with the VERY heavy 38x13.5s on stock 3.73 gearing. Go Ecodiesel!!

DUH! LOL

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