Is the Gladiator losing interest with buyers?

[@californiajeeping]

Its getting long in the teeth and between a sport and rubicon theres not enough difference to justify such an expensive "play thing".

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[Alpine Warthog]

Car sales are down all across the board. Don't get worried about the JT yet. The looming Autoworkers strike will make things very interesting. If they strike, used cars are going to climb in value if it goes for a while. If the autoworkers get a sweetheart deal like UPS worked out, expect to see Jeeps creep even closer to $100K.

 

[Reddog]

What's the E model?


Two articles talking about the diesel tuners being fined - and how the EPA, although they have said that diesel tuning isn't on the top of their list, the most recent companies to be caught and fined prove that the EPA isn't ignoring such thing.
At the same time, moterbiskut comes out with an article about diesel owners rejoicing over the EPA not going after tuners.
I laughed out loud while reading those headlines over breakfast this morning.
Gee, in the news are multiple companies fined millions, meanwhile MB has article about EPA not going after diesel tuners.
I recently saw another article, dang I wish I could remember and find it again, people here would get a good laugh because it was so technically wrong it was like someone in high school pulling things out of a hat. Once in a blue moon they come up with a gem that's factually correct, well researched (research and moterbiskut in the same sentence, wow) and was actually well-written, but that's not their norm.
It's a lot of clickbait. Why do they do it? They get crap featured in Edge and Chrome home pages. They make good money filling space on phones.


Yeah, I'll try to get some pictures of the local dealers around here - they are hurting for stock and can't keep lots filled. Want a used Gladiator? Good luck.

I did a search, concentrated on a circle 50 miles around the core of Des Moines. That would include Ames, Ankeny, Waukee, Indianola and other cities, towns and multiple dealerships.............

To check that number, i used a different site and came up with 28 - but they listed a couple on a web site that has no brick and mortar presence here. Those all include JTs on lots for any company - GM, Hyundai, Ford, whatever so if you spread 24-28 Jeeps around all of the dealerships around here, that's less than 1 used JT per lot. You could visit a dealership and find no used Gladiators for sale.
The dealer I traded my 2020 to for my 2022 sold mine within a month as a certified pre-owned and I know what they allowed me, there's money spent to get it through certification, etc. so they had to be upper 40s to low 50s on their price to come out.

I was referring to the Xe models, or as I call them, worthless models. Good or bad, the future is hydrogen, not all electric. Just ask Toyota. They know a thing or two about building cars, even though I have never owned one. Petro companies are not going away anytime soon, and the lefty's and do-gooders are just using it to further their assault on our freedom to live our lives as we choose. I have never read MotorBiscuit that I can remember. Not sure what the excitement is in that regard.

 

[sharpsicle]

Wow, even this thread got turned into a political statement? Are you kidding? People are desparate these days...

 

[Dickster]

Started with covid.

Material shortage.
Labor shortage.
High shipping cost.
Inflation.
Used vehicle prices high.
People paying 20k over msrp to get a specific car.
Now unions asking for more.
High new vehicle prices.

Repo rates are through the roof.

It's not just jeeps but all vehicle. When manufacturers start offering incentives you know the market is slow.

 

[SuperJ]

Unless someone is a Jeep person, I don't think the Gladiator makes good objective sense to many potential buyers. It's not powerful, gets poor MPGs and on stock wheels & tires looks kind of odd. There are many strong subjective reasons to buy one, I know that's why I bought mine. In this no-stimulus economy, I'd bet more buyers are looking at needs v. wants and the JT doesn't typically stack up well in that type of comparison.

 

[Dog Dad]

I got rid of my Grand Cherokee for the Overland and I'm not regretting it one bit.I can carry stuff when I need to,and I have the Jeep side for everything else.I'm very happy with the Gladiator,and wouldn't get rid of it for anything!

 

[ShrimpHappens]

As I've been looking for used Gladiators locally, I've noticed a ton of Broncos lately. I guess a bunch of people ordered them thinking SUV and didn't like the ride?

Yeah, it's weird after all the drama that surrounded the Bronco launch there's now two used ones on the lot at my local Honda dealer.

 

[Orange01z28]

They have been saying that since covid, but the numbers say otherwise. They are going to raise interest rates further because the economy just won't slow down.

Everyone I know is still making money, they are building houses like crazy in my area, can't get enough people on construction crews, dealers are still doing markups on cars, my industry can't hire people fast enough, still getting big raises and bonuses to keep me from leaving. But all you hear is doom and gloom about how the economy sucks because groceries are expensive. Kinda a weird time.

You live in Boise

People are still trying to escape the areas where stuff is really bad

And yes, when everything is expensive due to inflation, it follows that the economy sucks.

 

[RubiAR]

Because it's still cheap, with endless access to the outdoors. We have been one of the fastest growing states in the country for several years now.

Not going to lie, I loved Boise when I visited for a few days. My wife lived in Nampa for a couple years as a teenager. I work on aircraft and a quick search showed mechanic jobs were countless; medical jobs (for the wife) were also paying much better. I joked that we should move up there; she took it dead serious and said okay

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Not going to lie, I loved Boise when I visited for a few days. My wife lived in Nampa for a couple years as a teenager. I work on aircraft and a quick search showed mechanic jobs were countless; medical jobs (for the wife) were also paying much better. I joked that we should move up there; she took it dead serious and said okay

That's crazy the pay is better, the jobs in my field here pay half of what I make working remotely.

 

[BAT]

Car sales are down all across the board. Don't get worried about the JT yet. The looming Autoworkers strike will make things very interesting. If they strike, used cars are going to climb in value if it goes for a while. If the autoworkers get a sweetheart deal like UPS worked out, expect to see Jeeps creep even closer to $100K.

I thought I read where they have worked out an agreement

 

[Deleted member 57233]

I was referring to the Xe models, or as I call them, worthless models. Good or bad, the future is hydrogen, not all electric. Just ask Toyota. They know a thing or two about building cars, even though I have never owned one. Petro companies are not going away anytime soon, and the lefty's and do-gooders are just using it to further their assault on our freedom to live our lives as we choose. I have never read MotorBiscuit that I can remember. Not sure what the excitement is in that regard.

Last I heard the Toyota CEO that was pushing hydrogen was forced out, and now they are focusing on EV, they announced 10 new EV models by 2026. I'd love to see more hydrogen though.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I was referring to the Xe models, or as I call them, worthless models. Good or bad, the future is hydrogen, not all electric. Just ask Toyota.

4xe (pronounced four by E)
Hardly worthless - not to most who own them. You don't have one so how would you know anything about them?
LOL - hydrogen. Funny. really funny. Hydrogen isn't "the future". It's another option but it's still an electric vehicle.
The difference is hydrogen is stored in tanks, used to produce electricity by electrolysis and then powers electric motors.
It's not totally safe because how it must be stored and the process of extracting electricity from hydrogen is in itself energy intensive.
Toyota has missed several times and ways - in fact, they are having to turn to other companies to figure things out these days. They took apart a Tesla to figure out "how are they doing it?".
The experts agree - not your "I hate electric" web sites, but real experts, agree, it will complement EVs for a while, but it won't be the end. For every site saying "hydrogen is the future", I can find sites saying "why hydrogen is not the future". Toyota? They've gambled and lost in the past. Using them as a bell-weather? Funny.

Now if you are talking about "burning hydrogen", that's a niche market even below hydrogen fuel cells which is what the majority are now - powering electric motors.
But we go back to the environmental concerns of hydrogen, transporting it (it's corrosive), using pipelines or trucks (look at the resistance to pipelines in the current environment)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I thought I read where they have worked out an agreement

Strike authorized (on the 25th) if agreement is not reached. So far what I see in UAW news is that there's no agreement yet. I suppose that could change in a heartbeat, though.

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