Confirmed: Gladiator 4xe coming in 2025. JT Gladiator production continues into 2028

[sully00]

I have a '22 4xe Sahara and like driving it well enough but it pretty much became the wife's car. At this point the hybrid vehicles are some of the most reliable on the road at the same time EV's are some of the least. You can't tow with them either. When Jeep didn't release a '24 4xe JT I purchased a '23 JT Sport and I really like it but would have probably held out for the 4xe and might look to trade it in. I would love for them to mate the hybrid to the 3.6L but I haven't had any issues towing my boat with the 4xe. I haven't done any really long trips with the 4xe but with max regeneration I don't think I have seen it lose hybrid mode. I have owned a '00 XJ for 20 years and rebuilt probably two or three times over I don't imagine I will have that relationship with either the 4xe or the JT but I do love driving them. After a couple of decades of driving modified off road vehicles I can't believe how refined a ride you can get out of solid axels and 33"-35" tires.

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[Geometricwoodbutcher]

Check the date on your source. Tesla whole house batteries are now warrantied for double that amount, 10 years. Most EV manufacturers are now warrantying their batteries for 8 years. But here’s the kicker. Just as your source of information has been outdated in a a few short years, so too will the current battery technology thats out there today. This technology is advancing so quickly, we should be looking towards the future and not backwards at the days of AA and D cell batteries we grew up with.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/toyota-touts-solid-state-evs-with-932-mile-range-10-minute-charging-by

I am aware of new solid state technology. I was simply making a point of using a cost benefit analysis. How are Tesla resale values after 10 years compared to Jeep? Could I argue for this technology like a solar panel salesman with a cost benefit chart that isn’t based in reality right now? Sure, but it would be dishonest. How do you make it cheaper and more widely available without raising taxes and using gov subsidies? They’ve (govt) already given up on ev semi trucks “safety reasons.” EV and phev are more likely to be novelty items, very much like owning a horse. I wouldn’t mind a jay leno sized estate, in Lexington, with a ton of both. Haven’t touched on “carbon credits” everyone has been paying Tesla for. It’s a rigged game that ends when everyone stops playing.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

I am aware of new solid state technology. I was simply making a point of using a cost benefit analysis. How are Tesla resale values after 10 years compared to Jeep? Could I argue for this technology like a solar panel salesman with a cost benefit chart that isn’t based in reality right now? Sure, but it would be dishonest. How do you make it cheaper and more widely available without raising taxes and using gov subsidies? They’ve (govt) already given up on ev semi trucks “safety reasons.” EV and phev are more likely to be novelty items, very much like owning a horse. I wouldn’t mind a jay leno sized estate, in Lexington, with a ton of both. Haven’t touched on “carbon credits” everyone has been paying Tesla for. It’s a rigged game that ends when everyone stops playing.

They All make money, at least you can help save the environment and save on gas at the same time. I'm sure the resale isn't better than a jeep but I wouldn't trade my jeep for one, I'm selling my BMW for one and the depreciation rate seems pretty similar and as far as 10 year resale, I haven't kept a car for 10 years in my entire life.

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

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Joe Biden can have them all as far as I am concerned But great if you would like one

I’m tellin ya…leave him/them out of it. Go drive a Tesla Model 3 Performance and tell me it ain’t a fuckin hoot

 

[Jeeperjamie]

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I’m tellin ya…leave him/them out of it. Go drive a Tesla Model 3 Performance and tell me it ain’t a fuckin hoot

This or a Model S if you really want to have fun

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

This or a Model S if you really want to have fun

What’s crazy is I’m kinda talking out of my ass. I’ve only ever driven the Tesla Model Y Long Range and even just that was an experience to say the least. I’ve ridden in a Model 3 performance and Model S though. Tough to beat that kinda torque on demand. It’s truly something else.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

What’s crazy is I’m kinda talking out of my ass. I’ve only ever driven the Tesla Model Y Long Range and even just that was an experience to say the least. I’ve ridden in a Model 3 performance and Model S though. Tough to beat that kinda torque on demand. It’s truly something else.

I test drove a 2022 Model S performance Saturday and I'm still wondering how they got that kind of power out of batteries only. I mean it's almost stupid to try to comprehend. What a joy and the ride quality is amazing. The only thing that gets me is the quietness of them. The only thing that I think will take some getting use to!

 

[Gizmo]

I’m tellin ya…leave him/them out of it. Go drive a Tesla Model 3 Performance and tell me it ain’t a fuckin hoot

Naaa .... I have a golf cart not interested in a Biden Wagon

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Naaa .... I have a golf cart not interested

Yep that's comparable, LMAO!!!!!

 

[Xrayphoton1]

Hey JepperJamie!

I just sold my Model X. I owned it for 5 months before I realized the cost savings are a wash and reliability is meh.

I owned a WK2 Overland with the Off-road Package for 10 years and had 1 repair for ~ $700.

Earlier this year I sold my WK2 and purchased a used 2018 Model X with 5k mi on the odometer from Tesla. It was a pristine garage kept vehicle.

Aside from the massive depreciation on those vehicles….(I purchased June 2023 so I missed the big drop when Elon changed pricing)

Tesla performed $3k in warranty work in the first few months I owned it- I know a few other folks and their Teslas are constantly in the shop for electrical issues - switches, etc.

My Model X bricked itself at 5pm at a busy intersection b/c I lightly touched the top of the steering column. It was due to a defective part and I was provided education to never touch the top of the steering column. Tesla had to come out to my house because they forgot to tighten some bolts on the steering wheel….a week after the repair.

I live in Colorado and drive ~12k mi each year, which means the Model X needs $1500 in tires and an alignment every year in addition to the repairs.

I also noticed my electric bill increased by $100/month compared to the reported $80/month of electricity displayed in the Tesla app. I suspect this is due to heat loss during the transfer of energy to the battery. (This year the climate was more temperate compared to last)

After all the headaches of the Tesla - I ran the math and with tires, insurance costs, etc relative to a JT Rubicon - it costs me ~ $400/yr more to drive the Rubicon.

just thought I would share my experience! I would have never bought one if I had done my research. I can only speak the Model X - although my coworker has a Model Y they wish they hadn’t bought!

Anyhow!

I bought a new model y performance in June and absolutely love it. No issues so far. Electric bill hasn't changed. My wife only puts 5-6k miles a year on her cars though. So far it's the fastest and most practical car I've ever had

 

[Renegade]

Does it bother anyone else that future vehicle production is being dictated by union contracts rather than technology advances and market demand?

 

[GeneralMaximus]

Gotta be house rooftop he is talking - 6kw. That’s probably 12 - 500 watt solar panels.

yea, a car rooftop would fit what, a 100watt panel?

 

[peterpilot379]

Nice!!! I'm starting to buy in to the battery operated stuff. We are about to trade our BMW X5 50 for a Tesla Model 3 or Model S performance. After driving a Model 3 performance for 3 days I gotta say they are a joy to drive. My neighbor has a model 3 long range and it cost him around $43 a month to charge it at home and that gets him 300+ miles of driving each times he charges it. He drives around 1200 miles a month. He said it beats the $200 plus he was spending on his Mercedes E350 to drive the same distance. Wish they would make an all electric Gladiator instead of a Hybrid one.

Just a friendly suggestion. Go drive an Audi Q4 or Q8 e-tron before taking the plunge into a Tesla. I think you’ll find the fit and finish of Audi is better than Tesla. Also, battery replacement (if ever needed) is by individual cells versus Tesla having to replace the entire battery….$ vs. $$$$. We have a 2019 Audi e-tron and love it. Range is less than Tesla but it meets our needs for an around towner.

 

[Bbannongmu]

Does it bother anyone else that future vehicle production is being dictated by union contracts rather than technology advances and market demand?

I understand the sentiment but it doesn’t bother me too much in the grand scheme. It is likely a handicap for the “Big 3” US automakers but probably not impossible to overcome. Contracts are always negotiable. The market will ultimately decide since there are plenty of non-union players. If people like and are willing to put their (mostly borrowed) money down on the products in sufficient numbers, the company will endure. If not, they will fail and other players will fill the void. Im a big fan of Jeep vehicles- over 30 years of buying and driving them but I’m not and have never been a huge fan of the corporation(s). I assembled cars for GM in the 1990s- I’m no fan of the UAW either but I understand workers trying to get their fair share.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Just a friendly suggestion. Go drive an Audi Q4 or Q8 e-tron before taking the plunge into a Tesla. I think you’ll find the fit and finish of Audi is better than Tesla. Also, battery replacement (if ever needed) is by individual cells versus Tesla having to replace the entire battery….$ vs. $$$$. We have a 2019 Audi e-tron and love it. Range is less than Tesla but it meets our needs for an around towner.

Funny you say that because we Actually drove a used Q8 E-Tron at the same dealership we test drove the Model S and I have to agree with everything you stated about the finishes being better. The Tesla Has more HP and take off than the Q8 plus more range and is actually significantly cheaper than the Q8. I do like the Audi's though but I'm not in the $70,000 range for a 3rd option. The Model S is in the $40,000-$45,000 range and the model 3 is around $35,000-$40,000 and that's pretty much our in our budget. We maybe would push it to $50,000 for the right one but no more than that. I'm trying to buy a Porsche 911 as soon as the Gladiator is paid off so I got to keep the Budget right in planning for that.

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