Jeep cancels all 4xe Hybrid models!

[WestwallNF104A]

You say yourself that you "love hybrid vehicles" and you "wish" they met your needs and presumably you would have one if they did. Seems odd that you haven't considered that in spite of the conspiracies you may have seen online, EVs actually do meet many people's needs and that's the reason they buy them.

Can you think of (or find) any taxpayer-funded government actions or corporate welfare that, in your words, "punishes" EVs and subsidizes non-EVs by affecting either the initial or operating costs of non-EVs? Looking at it conversely, you (not I) could just as easily say that the only reason people are buying non-EVs is the government bailout of the auto makers and its financial and military support of the oil industry. Where do you think the money for that comes from?

And how does that make you feel emotionally vs. seeing on facebook that some people got a $7500 tax credit?

Hmm... when the government allows businesses to deduct 100% of the purchase price of vehicles above 6,000 lbs, are they mandating that businesses buy these large vehicles and are they unfairly "punishing" the sub-6,000 lb competition like smaller, more efficient cars that aren't eligible for a total deduction?

Did you take advantage of this handout?

The reality is that they failed. And you might be the only person here who feels that Jeeps are affordable for the average Joe these days! Unless maybe you're talking about a Compass.

Yes, I think the technology is amazing. F1 used it to attain a thermal efficiency of nearly 50% in a period of two years. For those who can afford the very best it is, IMO the way to go.

If I had a million dollars, I would own a McLaren P1, no question. However, I don't. So I don't.

There's no conspiracy, there are government mandates to force people to buy EV's. California has declared no internal combustion engined vehicles will be allowed for sale after 2035 IIRC. That's not a conspiracy, that's a law, and as anyone with a brain knows as goes California, so goes the rest of the country.

I thought I laid out my reason for not having a hybrid is it lacks the payload I need for my business. That seems pretty straightforward.

Yeah, the federal government is allowing businesses to keep their money when they buy a vehicle for their business. Notice though that it's for large vehicles, mainly trucks. Trucks are used by businesses to make money, which is then taxed, so eventually the government still gets their money in the long run, they always do.

Once again, engineers are given a set of parameters. They design the vehicle to meet those parameters.

The fact that people don't want vehicles that are designed to those parameters isn't the fault of the engineers, it's the fault of those parameters, and those have, for the last 40 years been driven by government directives, mainly the asinine CAFE standards.

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[AmosMoses]

anyone with a brain knows as goes California, so goes the rest of the country.

California regulation by and large is not compatible with middle America and it is no longer a place that Americans hold in high regard in anything other than its physical landscape. You wouldnt let a friend or family member with terminal cancer make important life decisions for you and so what regulators in states like California want is irrelevant to states like Ohio.

 

[NC_Overland]

You just described the generation 1 Chevy Volt from 2011. Minus the range as those had a pure electric range of about 42 miles, depending on driving style and other factors. I had two of them, a 13 and a 15. Zero problems with either of them and had a lifetime mpg of over 100 after 50k miles. It’s about time they went back to that system. Until batteries can provide 500 miles with a 15min charge, cost effectively, this is the best way to get normal drivers into near zero emissions vehicles. They’re not expensive either. Both cars were purchased for less than 30k, before tax credits.

Those Volts were so underrated and oddly decent looking cars IMO. They looked higher end than over cars in their class (that they pioneered).

 

[WestwallNF104A]

California regulation by and large is not compatible with middle America and it is no longer a place that Americans hold in high regard in anything other than its physical landscape. You wouldnt let a friend or family member with terminal cancer make important life decisions for you and so what regulators in states like California want is irrelevant to states like Ohio.

Agreed, yet everything bad that is happening across the USA began in California.

 

[Stan H]

California regulation by and large is not compatible with middle America and it is no longer a place that Americans hold in high regard in anything other than its physical landscape. You wouldnt let a friend or family member with terminal cancer make important life decisions for you and so what regulators in states like California want is irrelevant to states like Ohio.

Hear Hear !!!

 

[Breadman]

California has declared no internal combustion engined vehicles will be allowed for sale after 2035 IIRC. That's not a conspiracy, that's a law,

So don't live there. The federal government is trying to block that law actually. So much for states' rights, huh.

as anyone with a brain knows as goes California, so goes the rest of the country.

If we could be so lucky.

But hey, maybe Mississippi or Alabama could become more successful than California and throw their weight around the auto industry.

Yeah, the federal government is allowing businesses to keep their money when they buy a vehicle for their business. Notice though that it's for large vehicles, mainly trucks. Trucks are used by businesses to make money, which is then taxed, so eventually the government still gets their money in the long run, they always do.

Not if their accountants are any good.

And conveniently ignores the blue collar G Wagons and other hard working luxury SUVs that were designed to weigh 6,001 lbs so they qualify when the biggest thing they will ever haul is a labradoodle.

But so weird to hand wave all this massive corporate welfare while fixating on people getting an auto subsidy. If the logic is that trucks help make money that eventually gets taxed, the same applies to an EV taking a commuter to work.

The fact that people don't want vehicles that are designed to those parameters isn't the fault of the engineers, it's the fault of those parameters

For someone who claims to drive 10,000 miles or whatever a day, you sure don't have much in the way of situational awareness if you continue to make the odd statement that people don't want EVs. Have you ever tried looking around? Doesn't Tesla have a gigafactory in your very state? I think that means like "big factory" or something. Probably wouldn't build one of the largest manufacturing facilities in the world if there was no demand? Such a weird claim...

Maybe all those miles are from just driving in circles.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

So don't live there. The federal government is trying to block that law actually. So much for states' rights, huh.

If we could be so lucky.

But hey, maybe Mississippi or Alabama could become more successful than California and throw their weight around the auto industry.

Not if their accountants are any good.

And conveniently ignores the blue collar G Wagons and other hard working luxury SUVs that were designed to weigh 6,001 lbs so they qualify when the biggest thing they will ever haul is a labradoodle.

But so weird to hand wave all this massive corporate welfare while fixating on people getting an auto subsidy. If the logic is that trucks help make money that eventually gets taxed, the same applies to an EV taking a commuter to work.

For someone who claims to drive 10,000 miles or whatever a day, you sure don't have much in the way of situational awareness if you continue to make the odd statement that people don't want EVs. Have you ever tried looking around? Doesn't Tesla have a gigafactory in your very state? I think that means like "big factory" or something. Probably wouldn't build one of the largest manufacturing facilities in the world if there was no demand? Such a weird claim...

Maybe all those miles are from just driving in circles.

What corporate welfare? Companies were being fined millions of dollars every year for not using a bio fuel that doesn't even exist.

Anyway, your Marxism is showing so you have a nice night.

 

[Gvsukids]

Companies were being fined millions of dollars every year for not using a bio fuel that doesn't even exist.

What bio fuel?

 

[ecidiego]

People who inject politics into this...... NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR VIEWS. JFC....

 

[WestwallNF104A]

So don't live there. The federal government is trying to block that law actually. So much for states' rights, huh.

If we could be so lucky.

But hey, maybe Mississippi or Alabama could become more successful than California and throw their weight around the auto industry.

Not if their accountants are any good.

And conveniently ignores the blue collar G Wagons and other hard working luxury SUVs that were designed to weigh 6,001 lbs so they qualify when the biggest thing they will ever haul is a labradoodle.

But so weird to hand wave all this massive corporate welfare while fixating on people getting an auto subsidy. If the logic is that trucks help make money that eventually gets taxed, the same applies to an EV taking a commuter to work.

For someone who claims to drive 10,000 miles or whatever a day, you sure don't have much in the way of situational awareness if you continue to make the odd statement that people don't want EVs. Have you ever tried looking around? Doesn't Tesla have a gigafactory in your very state? I think that means like "big factory" or something. Probably wouldn't build one of the largest manufacturing facilities in the world if there was no demand? Such a weird claim...

Maybe all those miles are from just driving in circles.

What corporate welfare? Companies were being fined millions of dollars every year for not using a bio fuel that doesn't even exist.

Anyway, your Marxism is showing so you have a nice night.

What bio fuel?

Exactly. A fuel that didn't exist. The EPA finally did away with that nonsense last year.

 

[MSFTMatt]

Agreed, yet everything bad that is happening across the USA began in California.

That’s a pretty inaccurate, biased and broad statement to make man.

 

[ecidiego]

I am surprised @JAY is letting this thread go on this long. So much tribal political BS.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

That’s a pretty inaccurate, biased and broad statement to make man.

Not really. I have a hard time thinking of any bad government policy that first didn't get its start in California.

Add to that the stranglehold Google has on the search engine franchise, or zuck and meta, pretty much everything that is bad comes from Cali.

But now we are straying waaaaaay to far off topic.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

I am surprised @JAY is letting this thread go on this long. So much tribal political BS.

Hey, people are civil. No need to call the cops. But the whole EV/hybrid production is driven by politics.

And I agree, that is bad.

 

[ecidiego]

But the whole EV/hybrid production is driven by politics.

No, it isn't. EVs are absolutely objectively superior as commuter cars. Let's take my wife's car. 3 kids. Sports/school shuttle.

Acura MDX ( her old car ). 22mpg average. I was paying $400/mo for gas.

Blazer EV ( her current car ). Costs nothing to drive. 335 mile range. Charge for free at home from paid off solar that paid for itself in TWO years. My electric bill in SoCal was $800/mo in Summer/Fall. Now? $25. Mandatory taxes and fees.

Explain to me why the Blazer EV is inferior? Why pumping gas is superior? My wife doesn't need to tow a 22k lb trailer 1000 miles a day. I paid 52k for the Acura in 2014. Paid less for the Blazer EV in 2024. It is superior in every way, even versus a 2024 MDX.

EVs are awesome. Lol at pumping gas for a commuter.

ICE will die. Only a matter of time. Electrification is the future. Everyone has the right to be a luddite, though. Everyone has the right to pay Chevron to travel. I just use the sun for most things. It's free.

My gas Jeep is a fun toy. I don't wish for the death of ICE, but it's inevitable.

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