steveale
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Humm....Car and driver got three other "mid-sized" trucks lined up. They ALL were crew cabs. They all were 4WD/AWD. They all were in top trim (Ford, Honda) or one trim down from top (Chevy). None of them were 2WD. None of them were strippers.apparently you've never been in the market for a full size truck. They'll line up a 2wd poverty spec payload/towing ringer that nobody wants to buy. That doesn't stop them from advertising the crap out of it!!
Yes, I can see it. The article makes so much sense now. Folks looking to buy the Overland are hourly workers that haul garbage to the dump daily and fill up the bed with plumbing fixtures, metal pipes and painting supplies. The Overland is perfect because that stuff wipes right off the leather seats so easily. Yes, the Overland was designed for this kind of customer.Humm....Car and driver got three other "mid-sized" trucks lined up. They ALL were crew cabs. They all were 4WD/AWD. They all were in top trim (Ford, Honda) or one trim down from top (Chevy). None of them were 2WD. None of them were strippers.
They all were within a case of beer of 1,500 lbs payload.
The Jeep's payload was below 1,000lbs and 500 lbs lower than the other trucks.
Really not sure why you are bringing 2Wd and stripped models into the conversation.
The 5 foot bed. Lol....(I assume you meant back seat leg/seat space)
Back seat space is the same as in the JLU and the Gladiator. The JT wheelbase is over 18" longer than the JLU, so obviously those 18" did not go towards back seat space. The explanation must be somewhere else.
Yeap and that is a selling point for me.Of course the JT’s wheel base is longer than the JL. That is obvious. I thought the question was why is the JT’s wheel base longer than the rest of the mid size truck segment. In that case I still maintain my answer about the larger back seat is correct.
To each their own, its actually one of my biggest disappointments. But not enough to cause me to look elsewhere.Yeap and that is a selling point for me.
Guess fat Eddy ain't riding. He'll have to follow on his Harley.Humm....Car and driver got three other "mid-sized" trucks lined up. They ALL were crew cabs. They all were 4WD/AWD. They all were in top trim (Ford, Honda) or one trim down from top (Chevy). None of them were 2WD. None of them were strippers.
They all were within a case of beer of 1,500 lbs payload.
The Jeep's payload was below 1,000lbs and 500 lbs lower than the other trucks.
Really not sure why you are bringing 2Wd and stripped models into the conversation.
Some surprising data on this comparison test.
1 - Despite Jeep claiming "class-leading" payload and towing, the Gladiator tested had by far the worst payload.
Only 988 lbs for the Gladiator vs 1,476, 1,479, 1,493 for the others. Even the minivan-based Ridgeline had ˜500lbs more actual payload.
2 - It had the worst performance off road - much worse than even Ridgeline mini-van.
"the Jeep was even less comfortable on Hollister Hills' slippery trails than the Honda, which senior editor Tony Quiroga dubbed a "dachshund." A dachshund might scrape its belly here and there, but even with 10.0 inches of ground clearance, the most in the test, the Gladiator would belly-flop into the mud with a wet thwap and noisily drag its frame rails over crests and bumps that the drivers of the Colorado and Ranger didn't notice."
3 - Even with the longest wheelbase (9-12 inches longer than the others - why?!?), it had poor ride on road, with same nasty remarks from the reviewers. Ford didn't too well on that either.
Unsurprisingly, it was the most fun (we knew that) and had the most stratospheric price (even though it was not even close to being top of the line it was $15K+ more expensive than the others.). All in all it finished third out of four.
https://www.caranddriver.com/review...gladiator-chevrolet-colorado-honda-ridgeline/
Thanks for the excellent post, as it saves me a lot of typing.This review is bullshit. (Well, except for the Ford being last, of course!) The Honda is a unibody platform with a front-wheel drive layout (with AWD added to it). This is a completely different class of vehicle. And of course it has a well-laid out, spacious interior - it's intended to be sold to people who want to look like they're taking a walk on the "wild side", but actually would be better served with a CR-V. The horrid sounds it made trying to tow are a pretty clear indication that it shouldn't be in the same class.
And the Colorado is a nice truck, but with some fatal flaws... namely a terrible drivetrain, and an interior that reminds me of a 90s Malibu. But if you can get over those things, then it's a really good truck.
But the Gladiator is in a class by itself... solid axles and available lockers and sway bar disconnect? Ridgeline buyers wouldn't even know what those are, let alone how and when to use them. So since the Gladiator is a focused off-road specialist, of course it wasn't rated as well as the Ridgeline or Chevy when they were canyon carving on pavement. I guess that's why they chose the Overland model for the comparo - although it actually has the lowest payload of the all JT models (so they really should have gone with a Sport or Sport S, which would be best of the bunch in terms of payload.)
In terms of their little off-road 'test' … everyone moans about the wheelbase of this truck, but I think Jeep knew what they were doing. It has a backseat usable for adults, a respectable bed length, and tows very well for a mid-size truck; shortening the wheelbase would have been a compromise. But the low-ish stock breakover angle is easily corrected for with more lift... and most anyone with intentions to wheel this truck will be lifting it at least 2", and fitting 35 or 37" tires, which makes a world of difference in breakover angle. (If you do the math, every inch of lift gets you about 1.5° of breakover... so with a 2.5" lift and 37" tires, the Gladiator breakover angle is about the same as a stock 2-door JL.)
A respectable test would be to compare the Rubicon to a ZR2, a Ranger Raptor (I know, they're not in the US yet), and a Tacoma TRD Pro. All of those trucks have reduced payload and towing capacities, and diminished steering and on-road feel due to off-road suspension, higher ground clearance and off-road oriented tires. With that bunch, they could have had a more interesting and meaningful story to tell.