Max Tow Package. Not the value you would think?

[Alligatorgun]

I believe your trade in value would be better with the more coveted trim names as well? Not a concern for everyone, just pointing it out…

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[NachoRuby]

I believe your trade in value would be better with the more coveted trim names as well? Not a concern for everyone, just pointing it out…

Not by the time I'm done with it ?

 

[Fastwake]

If your going to tow trailers buy a truck made for towing NOT A GLADIATOR they good for towing a canoe or a jet ski ? LOL

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Payload to me is the bigger concern, as you point out. In theory, it would be a lot easier to just add rear max tow springs to a Mojave and gain back some of that comfort of more payload (or at least maxed out within the limits).

Please don't go there again - we've got dozens of posts and threads. You can not change your payload with springs! These are tested as built - based on center of gravity, height, weight and many other factors. Check all of the other many threads and posts on this topic.

People seem to think they can swap parts around and change ratings. It isn't springs!

If you need the payload, buy that payload.

If you take any vehicle and make changes like lifts, tire swaps, etc. - you reduce the towing and payload, especially with lifts. There's a number of truck sites, truck businesses, who have youtube videos out there explaining that. They usually use Ford or Chevy for examples but what applies to Ford applies to Jeep.

There aren't laws on the books but there are a number of attorney sites that talk about the consequences. I even talked to an officer with the Iowa Highway patrol and verified a few things. You hurt or kill someone, there will be a pretty thorough investigation. 100 pounds isn't going to matter, if that sticker says 1,000 pounds and you haul 1,100 that isn't the issue or problem.

These have to undergo a lot of testing and certification. Being overweight also changes your braking - if you can't stop, they'll know why.
I've seen the methods used by the IHP for accident investigation (unfortunately, my family was personally involved in such an investigation)

Bottom line, people try to work around, get around, out-think, out whatever, engineers and standards and everyone knows better. I"ll just swap springs and I'll be fine. Yeah, right.

Amazing this even still comes up after the dozens of threads and hundreds of posts on it but it seems each time someone seems to believe they'll have a different idea or come up with something new - or know things that haven't been discussed already.

If you need to tow over 6,000 pounds, buy max tow. IF you need to haul over 1100 pounds, buy max tow.

Trying to figure value, worth, dollars and cents is really over-thinking it. If you need it, buy it, screw the perceived "value" as far as dollars and cents. If you need it, it's worth it.

 

[Gren71]

I wouldn’t have any other model than an MT. The payload and the tow capacity make a massive difference. And just knowing i have wiggle room when loading for camping, and not NEEDING to doing the math, is worth the cost.

not to mention the added benefits of the 4:10 w/o all the off road stuff I wouldn’t need or use.

 

[Mac]

If your going to tow trailers buy a truck made for towing NOT A GLADIATOR they good for towing a canoe or a jet ski ? LOL

SAE J2807 certified for 7650lbs.

 

[Gren71]

SAE J2807 certified for 7650lbs.

Yea, no complaints towing with the Jt. Some folks are just picky I guess.

 

[Fastwake]

Good looking rig

 

[Fastwake]

I wouldn’t have any other model than an MT. The payload and the tow capacity make a massive difference. And just knowing i have wiggle room when loading for camping, and not NEEDING to doing the math, is worth the cost.

not to mention the added benefits of the 4:10 w/o all the off road stuff I wouldn’t need or use.

Good looking rig

 

[Gvsukids]

If your going to tow trailers buy a truck made for towing NOT A GLADIATOR they good for towing a canoe or a jet ski ? LOL

Your kidding, right?

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/6000lb-travel-trailer-towing.40269/

 

[PyrPatriot]

I wouldn’t have any other model than an MT. The payload and the tow capacity make a massive difference. And just knowing i have wiggle room when loading for camping, and not NEEDING to doing the math, is worth the cost.

not to mention the added benefits of the 4:10 w/o all the off road stuff I wouldn’t need or use.

Laughy emoji for that badging. Love it

 

[LostMojave]

One thing not mentioned is the Mojave has a softer hollow sway bar

 

[Snake Eyes]

True but you cannot increase the GCWR or the GVWR which are different with different models and listed on the door of all vehicles.

Having worked in law enforcement, if there were an accident and it involved anything towed we did take into consideration if the GCWR were exceeded. If the GCWR as determined by the legally affixed stickers on the trailer and tow vehicle. Anything done aftermarket that the owner said could increase payload/towing meant nothing legally. As for a single truck with payload that was iffy, it could be taken into consideration by the nice lawyer for the injured other driver either to increase the settlement or transfer fault. The GVWR for any vehicle or trailer is taken seriously. You would see that if you used a DOT scale, were over, and then were not allowed to leave the weigh station without removing items. That is the standard procedure. Overweight GVWR or GCVR is dangerous and seriously assessed in an accident.

 

[The Duck of Earl]

Please don't go there again - we've got dozens of posts and threads. You can not change your payload with springs! These are tested as built - based on center of gravity, height, weight and many other factors. Check all of the other many threads and posts on this topic.

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Trying to figure value, worth, dollars and cents is really over-thinking it. If you need it, buy it, screw the perceived "value" as far as dollars and cents. If you need it, it's worth it.

I am not arguing that you cannot 'legally' change your payload with springs. I being honest that no one will know one way or the other ... unless the rear end is sagging down to the bump stops and someone is operating well outside the recommended parameters ... and would advocate that everyone should use sound judgment and play within safe and 'legal' limits.

The whole point of this thread is discussing relative 'value' and whether the Max Tow offers that any more. Particularly with the Rubicon Auto towing at 7,000 vs 7,650 (or whatever) on the Max Tow we are splitting hairs on buying 'what you need' for all of the other stuff you get with the Rubicon if we are just talking about towing.

Further, I think you are dismissing the multiple comments both here (and across the forum) regarding the Max Tow folks that have 'upgraded' their tires, wheels, lift, added steps/sliders, etc. - all of which would lower the 'theoretical' payload and towing capacity (regardless of what is the original listing from the factory), but some seem quick to dismiss fail to acknowledge. Sure there are some Max Tow owners that keep things straight stock and retain the factory ratings - but that is not the point of this apples to apples value comparison and not what many aim to do (particularly me).

You should not be buying ANY Gladiator (even the Max Tow) because you NEED to tow (or haul) significant amounts. If that is your biggest use case / concern then you should be getting a full-sized truck, which these days can get you over 12,000lbs capacity.

I had thought that the Max Tow was a great way to get a good platform with the more stout axels, gearing, and brakes, but it seems the trim has become just a compliance package that still exists in order to claim 'best-in-class' on a few metrics despite the fact that few enthusiasts will keep their truck in such stock configuration necessary to retain such ratings.

The point is the Rubi/Mojave already have the bigger tires and lift without the need for mods, so once you 'add' them to a Max Tow - are you not more or less in the same place capacity wise, for what has been shown to be around a $3,600 price difference between the trims for what is much more than that worth of 'upgrades'.

 

[Snake Eyes]

If your going to tow trailers buy a truck made for towing NOT A GLADIATOR they good for towing a canoe or a jet ski ? LOL

A gladiator is a mid size truck. Blasphemy to those that only want to call it a Jeep. It is a truck. truck….Properly equipped and not heavily modified it is a truck made for towing.

It tows in the same capacity as a Taco, Ranger, Frontier etc. with the max tow. The long wheel base and build in the rear is well suited for towing as long as the face of what you are towing if 55 sf or less, you use a proper anti sway WDH and stay within proper TT GVWR and GCVWR just like any other truck. I would keep it under 6K for towing a trailer. The gladiator helps to get TT of that size to places others cannot go.

Towing a canoe or jet ski is something even a wrangler can do.

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