So max towing or not.

[chorky]

I still think anyone who will eventually want lockers or sway bar disco will spend less starting with a rubicon. Otherwise I agree.

i also agree. Although it depends on if someone wants electronic locks vs true tracks or electrict discos vs antirock, etc. but the rubicon still offers a couple things not easily had onother trims

i think, at least for me, what matters most is the door sticker and if there is an actual weight difference between sport s with max tow vmthat is built vs a rubicon

it would be interesting to see some cat scale reports of a rubicon next to a s max tow that is built to the same soec as a rubicon. Willing to bet the end result of weight will be the same

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[WILDHOBO]

i also agree. Although it depends on if someone wants electronic locks vs true tracks or electrict discos vs antirock, etc. but the rubicon still offers a couple things not easily had onother trims

i think, at least for me, what matters most is the door sticker and if there is an actual weight difference between sport s with max tow vmthat is built vs a rubicon

it would be interesting to see some cat scale reports of a rubicon next to a s max tow that is built to the same soec as a rubicon. Willing to bet the end result of weight will be the same

Hard to be exact. I’ll happily weigh my JTR, but bumpers, winch, skid plates, soft topper, 37’s on rubi wheels, etc. are a lot of variables that won’t match another build.

 

[chorky]

Hard to be exact. I’ll happily weigh my JTR, but bumpers, winch, skid plates, soft topper, 37’s on rubi wheels, etc. are a lot of variables that won’t match another build.

i am planning on weighing my rubi before any mods and then again after to see how much it changed.

 

[ecidiego]

Actually the high altitude can carry just a smidge less than the Mojave or Rubicon.

The reality is that the HA is no more dumb than the well optioned street oriented F150s you see. Which is all of them. Because even the "off road" factory trucks come with big wheels and small tires and have little to no ground clearance.

Also. A HA might be a reasonable place to start if you wanted to build an off-road truck that had a truly fancy luxury interior. Maybe not. But its a thought. Though as I run through costs, you would probably be. better off starting with an Overland.

I wish I had 1192! 1086, very low optioned!

 

[Gvsukids]

There aren't any options on a High Altitude, Rubicon, or Mojave that significantly impact payload.

Every option impacts payload and towing.

 

[Gren71]

Every option impacts payload and towing.

Make sure to take a nice bathroom break before your trip! Could gain an extra bit of cargo capacity

 

[dcmdon]

Every option impacts payload and towing.

Key word - Significantly.

 

[dcmdon]

irregardless if options cause a significant payload change or not its still important to compare apples to apples.

for example. A sport S with vs without the max tow package can probably cause quite the difference in payload and towing rating.

You aren't paying attention.

Regardless , the HA is a real truck. That's my only point. I"m not going to debate what version has highest payload with what option. The HA has similar payload to the Mojave and Rubicon.

That's all I was saying. Its useless off road with factory wheels and tires. But it is still a light duty pickup truck and can perform as such.

 

[chorky]

You aren't paying attention.

Regardless , the HA is a real truck. That's my only point. I"m not going to debate what version has highest payload with what option. The HA has similar payload to the Mojave and Rubicon.

That's all I was saying. Its useless off road with factory wheels and tires. But it is still a light duty pickup truck and can perform as such.

thanks for the insult. I am absolutely paying attention and on the contrary i think far too many others are pissing in the wind and not considering ALL options that affect payload including selected options even if its just the aux switches. It all affects payload. Maybe to you it doesnt matter. Maybe to half the world it doesnt. But to somebody else maybe 5 pounds absolutely matters. Thats all I am saying. Im not arguing any of the trims are better or worse than the others but for some people trying to maximize certain things. Which is why I was asking if the posted nymbers you offered, which i am sure many people including myself appreciate, are bone stock or with some options. It matters because if a truck is 10 pounds over weight and gets in an accident depending on who their insurance is and what state they live in they may be slammed with ALL costs including any damage to others. So. It matters.

 

[WILDHOBO]

i am planning on weighing my rubi before any mods and then again after to see how much it changed.

Nice. I never thought to. Let me know what it is if you don’t mind. We can compare.

 

[MPMB]

I still think anyone who will eventually want lockers or sway bar disco will spend less starting with a rubicon. Otherwise I agree.

It's probably a push money-wise. I prefer turn-key myself. One of the reasons we didn't buy a fixer-upper when we bought our house. And that's actually a ROI.

Just the basic parts with gears and lockers puts you around $3k; suspension kits, say, the Mopar one, $1600; skid plates $1000 (rough estimate based on numerous alternatives).

Then you have to have a reputable shop to install it, unless you want to shadetree it yourself.

 

[WILDHOBO]

It's probably a push money-wise. I prefer turn-key myself. One of the reasons we didn't buy a fixer-upper when we bought our house. And that's actually a ROI.

Just the basic parts with gears and lockers puts you around $3k; suspension kits, say, the Mopar one, $1600; skid plates $1000 (rough estimate based on numerous alternatives).

Then you have to have a reputable shop to install it, unless you want to shadetree it yourself.

And it’s way higher imo. But lockers and sway bar disconnect alone, with labor to add them is a big number. I don’t count gears or lift, as the sport s buyers will do the same upgrade and it will be a wash. I just wouldn’t want a lifted sport s without lockers, sway bar disconnect, off road plus, 4:1 transfer case, 4hi auto. I’d have spent the same money and ended up with less. And all of those items get used when I’m off road. It’s not a status thing. Function.

 

[bluetick]

So I have been reading on the max towing package. And my build sheet says towing package but not the max package. But from what I can tell the only thing mine doesn’t have is the coolers. Has everything else the max package should have. So is it or isn’t it.

I got the max tow package because I use my Gladiator to pull a 22-ft Airstream. If you don’t plan on towing something of that size, go for the ritzy interior instead.

 

[Gren71]

And it’s way higher imo. But lockers and sway bar disconnect alone, with labor to add them is a big number. I don’t count gears or lift, as the sport s buyers will do the same upgrade and it will be a wash. I just wouldn’t want a lifted sport s without lockers, sway bar disconnect, off road plus, 4:1 transfer case, 4hi auto. I’d have spent the same money and ended up with less. And all of those items get used when I’m off road. It’s not a status thing. Function.

I actually saw a pretty cool video from way a life where he sticks an oem rubi sway bar disconnect on pretty easily. Only hiccup was that he pulled the electrical part and added a manually pull switch. Pretty dang cool.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I actually saw a pretty cool video from way a life where he sticks an oem rubi sway bar disconnect on pretty easily. Only hiccup was that he pulled the electrical part and added a manually pull switch. Pretty dang cool.

Agreed. It shouldn’t be that hard from a labor standpoint but I’m pretty sure that disconnect motor is close to 2k in parts alone.

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