1086lb Payload capacity, Mojave. What?

[ShadowsPapa]

IIRC the payload does not include 150 lbs for the driver....

I've joked on this site before that my WRX has a higher payload capability than my gladiator. My door tag says 1021. The par that confuses me is the Gross axel weight rating add upo tpo far greater than the GVWR.

Please read the dozen other threads on this that date back over a year. It's NOT axle rating or frame strength. There is much testing these go through. The manufacturers run their trucks through rigorous SAE testing and it's not about "how much will this frame handle or when will the axles snap"

These have to pass certain performance tests (and I don't mean how fast they'll go) to get these ratings. Braking, steering, maneuvering in emergencies, wet road handling, sway, and other factors.
Anyone who believes they can stick tougher springs under these and increase payload is really not understanding how trucks are rated.

My wife's WK2 is a great example - the payload and towing rival my JT - why? It's LOWER, lower center of gravity and other factors give it a leg up on the JT as far as PERFORMANCE towing or handling a load in the back. The axles aren't any heavier under a Grand Cherokee and yet it's ratings are higher.

I simply suggest folks think outside of the old "bigger springs and axles and that number means nothing".

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[ecidiego]

Thanks for the replies.

My point wasn't to ask how can I exceed it. I am trying to stay under it. My curiosity was around why some Mojaves are 1086 like mine, some are lower, some are 75lbs higher, and the Jeep literature says 1200. A poster above has a door jamb stating something in the 1100s on his Mojave and he has all my options and more.

Weird.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thanks for the replies.

My point wasn't to ask how can I exceed it. I am trying to stay under it. My curiosity was around why some Mojaves are 1086 like mine, some are lower, some are 75lbs higher, and the Jeep literature says 1200. A poster above has a door jamb stating something in the 1100s on his Mojave and he has all my options and more.

Weird.

(so the lurkers know - this was stated in multiple other threads)...........

The 1200 is the base model of that level. Doesn't matter if it's max tow, non MT sport, Overland, Rubicon, whatever, it's the base model. You go in and say "I want a Rubicon with nothing on it" - the base Rubicon, and you'll get the marketing number payload.
Add certain things and that number begins to drop.
I'm a little baffled by why the hard top would make much difference as the weight DIFFERENCE between the hard top and soft top isn't huge (it's the weight DIFFERENCE one must consider, not the total top weight)
And certain electronic options - some are no different in weight and some are slightly different (passive entry - what's that add - a whopping pound??? (if that)

Anyway, whatever the marketing BS says they are rated at is what they come with bone stock, no ketchup or mustard or onion. Start putting things on the "I want this" list and may drop.

I'll add this to the mix for lurkers - options are one of the reasons that a Rubicon (JUST AS AN EXAMPLE) have any of 3 different spring numbers up front. I've known of 3 different numbers (each pair would be a set chosen from those 3 numbers, at least for 2020).
So the options also help determine which springs a given trim level has.
I've lost track of the various spring numbers under the other "trims".

Tires, tops, bumpers, pretty much anything you can change on the order sheet (or change LATER) impacts the payload on these.

 

[WXman]

Thanks for the replies.

My point wasn't to ask how can I exceed it. I am trying to stay under it. My curiosity was around why some Mojaves are 1086 like mine, some are lower, some are 75lbs higher, and the Jeep literature says 1200. A poster above has a door jamb stating something in the 1100s on his Mojave and he has all my options and more.

Weird.

Yeah that's all about options. GVWR is the same for every Mojave that comes off the line. The curb weight subtracted from that GVWR gives the payload number that gets stamped on the placard. The more options you have the lower the payload. If a guy has a Mojave with your identical options plus some and his payload is higher, that's just a mistake on Jeeps part plain and simple.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah that's all about options. GVWR is the same for every Mojave that comes off the line. The curb weight subtracted from that GVWR gives the payload number that gets stamped on the placard. The more options you have the lower the payload. If a guy has a Mojave with your identical options plus some and his payload is higher, that's just a mistake on Jeeps part plain and simple.

You've been on payload discussions since Hector was a pup.......... (let's see if I can tell how old he is by his reaction to that phrase)

 

[ecidiego]

Yeah that's all about options. GVWR is the same for every Mojave that comes off the line. The curb weight subtracted from that GVWR gives the payload number that gets stamped on the placard. The more options you have the lower the payload. If a guy has a Mojave with your identical options plus some and his payload is higher, that's just a mistake on Jeeps part plain and simple.

Got it. Thanks.

Makes a big difference when planning things out. Maybe I don't actually NEED the $400 more expensive DiamondBack HD versus the SE. 30lbs IS 30lbs afterall. Either a lot of cardio or a cheaper cover. Both would net me 60... hmmm...

 

[gouacats]

My Mojave is 1154lb. My options are hardtop, auto, select trac, and tow package.

Mine (2020) is pretty similar - 1176 with hardtop, auto and tow package as the only options.

 

[Spaceguy]

My sticker is for 1169 pounds. Mojave with soft top and manual transmission.

 

[Jefe1018]

Not sure if I should say 'sadly' or not but 1086lbs is well within what mid-size trucks are rated for now-a-days, maybe on the low end, but you did get the top of the line desert runner pickup truck.

In life there is always a compromise and with your needs, a slightly wider and less offrody but more capable family and stuff hauler 1500 may just be that compromise.

FWIW, I was actually excited I had just a hair over 1,000lbs of payload on my Rubicon with the Eco-diesel, hard top, tow package.

 

[Josh00333]

My max tow is 1600 payload*

My door sticker was 1425 or something close.

Freedom lots o options steel bumpers, eat it all up.

 

[Mac]

My Tundra was around 1200lbs, most half tons without a special payload package are around or under 1500lbs.

 

[LostWoods]

After some thought I bet it's the Freedom Top. The 'stock' ratings are probably with base soft top and manual trans. The auto is only 20lbs or so heavier, I bet the hard top is the rest.

Opposite the JL, the JT hard top is actually lighter than the complete soft top assembly. The frame for the soft top is a lot of weight and the JT doesn't have rear side windows like the JL does.

IIRC the payload does not include 150 lbs for the driver....

I've joked on this site before that my WRX has a higher payload capability than my gladiator. My door tag says 1021. The par that confuses me is the Gross axel weight rating add upo tpo far greater than the GVWR.

It does. Subtract curb weight from GVWR and you get the published payload ratings. Actual weight might differ but that's how they arrive at the number.

The GAWR are the real "do not cross numbers" and GVWR is generally a formula of combined GAWR minus some safety factor. Otherwise someone would see 1600# payload, stick it all in the bed, and wonder why something broke. If you weigh up and don't cross the GAWR numbers, you are likely fine.

We're not talking "what it can handle" as far as frame and structure. That's a fraction of it.
It's HEIGHT of the truck - center of gravity, braking, cornering performance under load, many factors.
To believe it's all about the "beefed up frame" and springs is very much off base.

The analogy I use is a trophy truck. They are driven far harder for shakedown runs than in a race because even though they can handle being driven balls to the wall, they can't do it for 1k miles without breaking. Just because your Gladiator or Tacoma can handle being 1k over GVWR right now does not mean that it can handle that for a decade.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

GAWR - cross this, things can break going straight down the road. Bearings burn up, axle damage, axle tube damage.

Tire rating - cross this and you'll suffer some bad damage when a tire blows - and be breaking federal law.

Payload rating - cross this very far and you will experience spring sag which will typically lead to piss-poor cornering and handing, braking, steering, roll-over and be unable to avoid catastrophe in event some fool tests you and your truck's abilities (and be liable in any law suite if very far over)
No one is going to say or do anything for being some over especially only now and then, short runs, etc. - no one carries a scale with them each time they load up a few things for a short trip,
It is expected that you know when you are very far over. Don't freak out if that number is 1100 and you are at 1200

There's no federal or state "law" related to payload but since it's advertised and marked on your door and in your owner manual and discussed to death on the internet - a good lawyer will make you wish you had paid better attention and not tried to be tougher or a bigger man by going well over the numbers.



From the web -
Driving a truck that’s over its GVWR is also not a good call when it comes to your insurance. If you survive an accident in an overloaded truck, it’s entirely possible you’ll be held responsible due to the fact that your truck exceeded its GVWR.

Don't get too hung up about being a tad over.

 

[Gvsukids]

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Love a good payload discussion... One thats had everytime someone buys a Gladiator and wonders why they can't carry a skid of bricks.

 

[WXman]

My max tow is 1600 payload*

My door sticker was 1425 or something close.

Freedom lots o options steel bumpers, eat it all up.

I've actually seen a couple above 1,600. Apparently a base Sport, the absolute least expensive JT you could possibly order, starts out at 1,700 lbs. of payload. It's just that no dealers and no individuals ever order a Jeep in pure stripper form.

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