2024/2025 JT+JL V6 Hurricane / 4xe / 392

[ShadowsPapa]

I use a browser called Brave. Blocks all the ads. I couldn’t stand how bad it had gotten previously.

But that doesn't stop the flooding of YT by sudden experts who did something once and now advise the world of their fixes and monetizing on it. The "this is how you fix DW" experts, the "my engine shake caused DW" videos, and worse - some of the stuff is scary.
It's like my brother ran into - his neighbor installed some software on a computer for him - now that neighbor is the neighborhood expert on all tings computer. He installed "Office" and it worked, so the guy is a hero. Or the guy who 'rebuilt" the automatic transmission in his AMX in his driveway. He posted a YT video explaining how auto transmissions work - all of the passages and pressures and this and that and people started quoting him in forums, all over creation. The problem - he was dead wrong. Another guy watched the video and came into the AMC forum 'explaining" what the throttle linkage was for and how to adjust it, and how the throttle pressure controlled shifting and so on. He was dead wrong and transmissions were gonna burn if anyone followed his crap. I called him out on it, even with quotes and pictures and scans from MOPARs own tech data (it was a TF727) and he got pissed and said "no, I know what I'm talking about because I watched xxxx video".
I tried to explain that guy did ONE transmission in his driveway and it worked and that's his credentials - but I post from MOPAR's own tech info, and college books, and years of rebuilding transmissions and I'm wrong? He was hot.
Be very careful - and the more showy the video is with their face right in the camera making some goofy-@$$ facial expression - they are a showman looking for clicks.

Anyway, it's not the ads so much, it's the stupid videos out there that "hey, I can make a video, show myself on YT and make MONEY!" bit - most have no real clue.

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[onewhippedpuppy]

Yup, YouTube is full of “experts” who have no idea what they are talking about and are just whoring for clicks so they don’t have to get a real job.

 

[RJinPV]

But that doesn't stop the flooding of YT by sudden experts who did something once and now advise the world of their fixes and monetizing on it. The "this is how you fix DW" experts, the "my engine shake caused DW" videos, and worse - some of the stuff is scary.
It's like my brother ran into - his neighbor installed some software on a computer for him - now that neighbor is the neighborhood expert on all tings computer. He installed "Office" and it worked, so the guy is a hero. Or the guy who 'rebuilt" the automatic transmission in his AMX in his driveway. He posted a YT video explaining how auto transmissions work - all of the passages and pressures and this and that and people started quoting him in forums, all over creation. The problem - he was dead wrong. Another guy watched the video and came into the AMC forum 'explaining" what the throttle linkage was for and how to adjust it, and how the throttle pressure controlled shifting and so on. He was dead wrong and transmissions were gonna burn if anyone followed his crap. I called him out on it, even with quotes and pictures and scans from MOPARs own tech data (it was a TF727) and he got pissed and said "no, I know what I'm talking about because I watched xxxx video".
I tried to explain that guy did ONE transmission in his driveway and it worked and that's his credentials - but I post from MOPAR's own tech info, and college books, and years of rebuilding transmissions and I'm wrong? He was hot.
Be very careful - and the more showy the video is with their face right in the camera making some goofy-@$$ facial expression - they are a showman looking for clicks.

Anyway, it's not the ads so much, it's the stupid videos out there that "hey, I can make a video, show myself on YT and make MONEY!" bit - most have no real clue.

Totally agree there are self declared experts out there on YT just making money for nothing. Some of the bad effects of the YT nonsense could be mitigated if the manufacturers would continue to produce repair manuals. I bought one for my 2001 Grand Cherokee and it helped a lot. I can't find one for a 2022 or 2023 Gladiator. So when I drooped that tiny Redarc knob I thought for sure it went into the gap and under the carpeting and I was going to have to pull the seats. YT was the first place I looked to find out what kind of star drive socket is required to remove the bolts. A repair manual would have been a lot better.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Totally agree there are self declared experts out there on YT just making money for nothing. Some of the bad effects of the YT nonsense could be mitigated if the manufacturers would continue to produce repair manuals. I bought one for my 2001 Grand Cherokee and it helped a lot. I can't find one for a 2022 or 2023 Gladiator. So when I drooped that tiny Redarc knob I thought for sure it went into the gap and under the carpeting and I was going to have to pull the seats. YT was the first place I looked to find out what kind of star drive socket is required to remove the bolts. A repair manual would have been a lot better.

Amen to the tech manuals and books.
I used one I got for a 94 Grand Cherokee (yellow, taped spline) and the book for my 82 SX4 when I merged the engine bay and other wiring together while putting the Jeep engine in my car.
I've got a tall book case in my shop as well as a shorter one next to it, manuals, parts books, TSMs, TSBs, and a few of the TSMs (technical service manuals) I've got. There's more behind these (deep shelves) and another set of shelves like this.
If I could get the books for the Gladiator, I'd do it. Part of the issue is changes. In the old days, they came out with supplements. My 82 book has a thinner book next to it that has the updates they made to those cars. Sadly, when you look things up today, like alignment specs, for example, the "computers" still show the original incorrect specs instead of the specs from the supplement.
Sometimes there were multiple supplements. Today, it would be impossible to keep up if it wasn't online so I won't hold my breath for a book - but if there was one that had at least the basics, I'd be all over it.
I have thousands of pages of wiring diagrams for stuff from the last century. Today, it's hundreds of pages for one vehicle.

 

[Geoarch]

I hate that V8's are dead. But deep down we all know if the JT got a hot motor like the Hurricane or a 4xe option there would be a sudden flood of JT's in the used market.

Me included. I have 6.23 kW solar so a PHEV would be welcome.

 

[BourbonRunner]

This pic warms the cavity in my chest where my heart should be.

Sadly, most modern vehicles just aren't user serviceable anymore because they incredibly complicated and the general public has zero idea how to turn a wrench, let alone check oil and change a tire. But that is also the value proposition the manufacturer sells to the dealership: You'll make a little money selling it but you'll make bigger money on the service because the end user **can't** work on it.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This pic warms the cavity in my chest where my heart should be.

Sadly, most modern vehicles just aren't user serviceable anymore because they incredibly complicated and the general public has zero idea how to turn a wrench, let alone check oil and change a tire. But that is also the value proposition the manufacturer sells to the dealership: You'll make a little money selling it but you'll make bigger money on the service because the end user **can't** work on it.

Books, especially tech manuals, etc. - love 'em. Big collection.
I have original owner manuals for some of my antique hit and miss engines - from 1910 to the 1930s.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

We need to face it - GAS is dead - be it GASoline or natural GAS, it's dead.

My mother would have an absolute FIT if she was alive to see this - ya can't do great cooking on a 'lectric stove. Gas is for professionals and the best cooks.

Well, gas cars, gas trucks and now gas stoves..................

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is set to open public comment on the dangers of gas stoves sometime this winter. The commission could set standards on emissions from the gas stoves, or even look to ban the manufacture or import of the appliances, commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. told Bloomberg News.

LOL - enjoy your gas while you can!

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

We need to face it - GAS is dead - be it GASoline or natural GAS, it's dead.

My mother would have an absolute FIT if she was alive to see this - ya can't to great cooking on a 'lectric stove. Gas is for professionals and the best cooks.

Well, gas cars, gas trucks and now gas stoves..................

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is set to open public comment on the dangers of gas stoves sometime this winter. The commission could set standards on emissions from the gas stoves, or even look to ban the manufacture or import of the appliances, commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. told Bloomberg News.

LOL - enjoy your gas while you can!

Natural gas is far from dead , have you heard of renewable natural gas ....sounds like you haven't

 

[legacy_etu]

But that doesn't stop the flooding of YT by sudden experts who did something once and now advise the world of their fixes and monetizing on it. The "this is how you fix DW" experts, the "my engine shake caused DW" videos, and worse - some of the stuff is scary.
It's like my brother ran into - his neighbor installed some software on a computer for him - now that neighbor is the neighborhood expert on all tings computer. He installed "Office" and it worked, so the guy is a hero. Or the guy who 'rebuilt" the automatic transmission in his AMX in his driveway. He posted a YT video explaining how auto transmissions work - all of the passages and pressures and this and that and people started quoting him in forums, all over creation. The problem - he was dead wrong. Another guy watched the video and came into the AMC forum 'explaining" what the throttle linkage was for and how to adjust it, and how the throttle pressure controlled shifting and so on. He was dead wrong and transmissions were gonna burn if anyone followed his crap. I called him out on it, even with quotes and pictures and scans from MOPARs own tech data (it was a TF727) and he got pissed and said "no, I know what I'm talking about because I watched xxxx video".
I tried to explain that guy did ONE transmission in his driveway and it worked and that's his credentials - but I post from MOPAR's own tech info, and college books, and years of rebuilding transmissions and I'm wrong? He was hot.
Be very careful - and the more showy the video is with their face right in the camera making some goofy-@$$ facial expression - they are a showman looking for clicks.

Anyway, it's not the ads so much, it's the stupid videos out there that "hey, I can make a video, show myself on YT and make MONEY!" bit - most have no real clue.

True , it does not do that. That's why we need resident experts like yourself.

YT experts, ha. Reminds me of the time my Samsung fridge started freezing the drain line. Go online and all sorts of videos about this problem and how to "fix" it. Everyone was saying the defrost element that sticks in the drain line fails and then the water freezes. Thought ok, I'll bite and buy the part. It was like a few bucks. I start diving into replacing it and realize the drain line at the other end of this defrost tube has a silicone one way check valve. and it's clogged up with dust. I figured out it was this clog that was causing the water to back up into the fridge until it got to a cold enough location to freeze. I cleaned the check valve, defrosted the drain line and it's been fine now for years. Luckily I only wasted a few dollars on the defrost part that I didn't even need to replace.

 

[BourbonRunner]

We need to face it - GAS is dead - be it GASoline or natural GAS, it's dead.

My mother would have an absolute FIT if she was alive to see this - ya can't to great cooking on a 'lectric stove. Gas is for professionals and the best cooks.

Well, gas cars, gas trucks and now gas stoves..................

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is set to open public comment on the dangers of gas stoves sometime this winter. The commission could set standards on emissions from the gas stoves, or even look to ban the manufacture or import of the appliances, commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. told Bloomberg News.

LOL - enjoy your gas while you can!

Going to toe the line on the political stuff, but... here goes anyway:

It angers me to no end. Natural gas is the most efficient, cleanest and most secure way to heat and cook but that doesn't jive with environmentalist dogma. Same reason why we can't have hybrid cars and everything must got EV. Not to mention the US and Canada sit on the largest NG reserves in the world and can ensure our economic, domestic national security by utilizing it but the greenies don't want to listen to logic. They just want to tilt at windmills, literally.

I chair the legislative committee of my local board of Realtors and sit on my state level committee.

There is legislation being proposed and enacted locally and across the country to outright ban the permitting of new construction that uses ANY fossil fuels as a heating/cooking source to avoid a so-called climate catastrophe in the US. Residential and commercial applications included. Many of the bills being proposed include bans on using it in additions to existing construction.

There are very, very few carve outs. Current bills I've read will allow for commercial cooking and in cases where life-saving equipment necessitates an emergency generator, IE hospitals, assisted living facilities, and possibly (depending on wording) personal homes with persons living in them requiring machine assistance, etc.

The major issue is the infrastructure in this country cannot allow currently for the massive increase in electrical generation and transmission this sort of legislation calls for without untold HUNDREDS of billions of dollars in investment. Our current infrastructure is incapable of handling the demand as is, and we're

The public utilities cannot pay for it without massive subsidies and rate increases, and the timeline for compliance put forth by already enacted legislative efforts at state, local, and Federal levels are not realistic.

Generation ability is nowhere near the demand right now, and in order to ramp up to meet expected demand by benchmark years, scores of plants will have to be built to meet the need.

Solar, wind, and other "green" sources are not the answer- they cannot provide baseline power and are only good when their "source" is functioning. In the case of wind, they actually shut down when wind speeds get too high to avoid damaging the machine.

Nuclear is off limits to the greenies because they can't understand that the China Syndrome was fiction, and Chernobyl was a failure of Soviet designs. Three Mile Island, BTW-- for all the mistakes, the fail safes worked.

Coal is a dying source and is being phased out, as it should but the greenies have completely ignored the "How do we get there" question and set arbitrary deadlines that are not backed by reality. Until we get a reliable source and increased transmission system in place, it would otherwise remain. We can't just shut it off and flip on the windmills.

The logical question next is "what will this cost?"

The next is "who will pay for this?"

So end of the day the tax payer gets hosed, as usual.

Just today I read an article in the WSJ about NYC's issues with installing electric car chargers on public streets. It is out there, look for it. Can you imagine a hoodlum disconnecting your electric car from the charger on a public street while you sleep? "Sorry boss, some idiot unplugged my Tesla. Can't make it in!"

I'll be jumping on a zoom with the government affairs director of the biggest utility in my state shortly to discuss this very issue in a little over an hour. Should be an interesting discussion.

Natural gas is far from dead , have you heard of renewable natural gas ....sounds like you haven't

If you're referring to ethanol and other plant-based fuels, the cost per unit to produce them, even subsidized by the Feds is more than the per unit energy they provide. And that doesn't take into account the deterioration they cause to components of motors, be it generators or your normal over the road vehicle. You still have to add petroleum based additives to them to make them function. They're about as useful as a doorknob on a tree.

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Going to toe the line on the political stuff, but... here goes anyway:

It angers me to no end. Natural gas is the most efficient, cleanest and most secure way to heat and cook but that doesn't jive with environmentalist dogma. Same reason why we can't have hybrid cars and everything must got EV. Not to mention the US and Canada sit on the largest NG reserves in the world and can ensure our economic, domestic national security by utilizing it but the greenies don't want to listen to logic. They just want to tilt at windmills, literally.

I chair the legislative committee of my local board of Realtors and sit on my state level committee.

There is legislation being proposed and enacted locally and across the country to outright ban the permitting of new construction that uses ANY fossil fuels as a heating/cooking source to avoid a so-called climate catastrophe in the US. Residential and commercial applications included. Many of the bills being proposed include bans on using it in additions to existing construction.

There are very, very few carve outs. Current bills I've read will allow for commercial cooking and in cases where life-saving equipment necessitates an emergency generator, IE hospitals, assisted living facilities, and possibly (depending on wording) personal homes with persons living in them requiring machine assistance, etc.

The major issue is the infrastructure in this country cannot allow currently for the massive increase in electrical generation and transmission this sort of legislation calls for without untold HUNDREDS of billions of dollars in investment. Our current infrastructure is incapable of handling the demand as is, and we're

The public utilities cannot pay for it without massive subsidies and rate increases, and the timeline for compliance put forth by already enacted legislative efforts at state, local, and Federal levels are not realistic.

Generation ability is nowhere near the demand right now, and in order to ramp up to meet expected demand by benchmark years, scores of plants will have to be built to meet the need.

Solar, wind, and other "green" sources are not the answer- they cannot provide baseline power and are only good when their "source" is functioning. In the case of wind, they actually shut down when wind speeds get too high to avoid damaging the machine.

Nuclear is off limits to the greenies because they can't understand that the China Syndrome was fiction, and Chernobyl was a failure of Soviet designs. Three Mile Island, BTW-- for all the mistakes, the fail safes worked.

Coal is a dying source and is being phased out, as it should but the greenies have completely ignored the "How do we get there" question and set arbitrary deadlines that are not backed by reality. Until we get a reliable source and increased transmission system in place, it would otherwise remain. We can't just shut it off and flip on the windmills.

The logical question next is "what will this cost?"

The next is "who will pay for this?"

So end of the day the tax payer gets hosed, as usual.

Just today I read an article in the WSJ about NYC's issues with installing electric car chargers on public streets. It is out there, look for it. Can you imagine a hoodlum disconnecting your electric car from the charger on a public street while you sleep? "Sorry boss, some idiot unplugged my Tesla. Can't make it in!"

I'll be jumping on a zoom with the government affairs director of the biggest utility in my state shortly to discuss this very issue in a little over an hour. Should be an interesting discussion.



If you're referring to ethanol and other plant-based fuels, the cost per unit to produce them, even subsidized by the Feds is more than the per unit energy they provide. And that doesn't take into account the deterioration they cause to components of motors, be it generators or your normal over the road vehicle. You still have to add petroleum based additives to them to make them function. They're about as useful as a doorknob on a tree.

I'm in Canada , it isnt going anywhere anytime soon , we are building a multi billion dollar LNG plant on the coast

 

[alpineovernappa]

I have a 2022 Jt Rubicon and I trade off every couple of years or 40,000 which ever comes first. If jeep doesn’t offer a V8 by then for the JT I’ll be done with jeep I’m sorry to say. The 6 just can’t work like I need it to..

I’m with you here. I didn’t have any complaints about the 3.6 in my JK but it simply isn’t enough power for the gladiator without screaming down the highway. I opted for the 3.0 and absolutely love it, but we’ll see how it holds up in the long run. If the 3.6 was the only option for the gladiator I would have changed brands.

 

[BourbonRunner]

I'm in Canada , it isnt going anywhere anytime soon , we are building a multi billion dollar LNG plant on the coast

Yes, to export it to China because the rabid ideologues in DC killed expansion to pipelines that would have brought it here. Canada made the right move for their own interests after the US backed out on the deal. Can't blame them on that but damn- sending it to our enemies instead of us...

In Southern MD there was a push to add another reactor to the only nuke plant in our state. It would have boosted generating capacity and helped to offset the shut down of gas, oil, and coal plants and offset two reactors there that were technologically and physically obsolete. Nope. Greenies killed it because... feelings.

Nobody is saying that we should be less efficient, not conserve resources, and openly pour motor oil down our storm sewers. But let's at least take the hyperbole out of the equation and discuss facts and think rationally.

Problem is the politicians excel at whipping the masses into a froth over emotional issues while ignoring the reality in front of their own noses to get more votes and stay in office... but I digress.

Mods, please don't ban me. I like this forum!

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Same , you seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject. Have a nice day

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