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Fella needs to build a Gladiator that comes from the factory with a 6.4L Hemi and Dana 60s running 40s. No one wants a battery operated toy…. Well…. Most of us don’t
 

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First, I love my JTRD and for that fact my MT 911 and I plan to hand them down to my kids one day. Jeep enthusiasts, just like Porsche enthusiasts have been dreading this future. So much so in the Porsche world that Porsche brought back its MT in GT cars and then to the more plebeian variants like the one I’m blessed to own. Now, just like Porsche, Jeep will be creating hybrids, not to alienate the enthusiasts but in order to survive. All car companies have to do this. The good news is, there will always be an enthusiast’s market in the background. For example in the Jeep world the CJ8 or these days the inline 6 (not hurricane) of yore. Porsche also went through the sacrilege of air-cooled to water-cooled to everything being turbo-charged to Hybrid. All along, the older the model the more it’s worth. Same will happen with Jeeps so don’t worry if you’re not on board with this change. The biggest problem we will all face is which hybrid or EV to drive when we are NOT driving our enthusiast model/trim which is why all of us should be learning about the technical aspects of this new platform not necessarily arguing about whether it will exist. Things like electricity to gas/diesel conversions are incredibly useful when deciding where to put your future money and follow technological breakthroughs. Soon our family will have to replace our diesel 7 pax SUV for something. Most likely I won’t have a choice because hybrids are the only thing offered new. So ready or not, I need to understand what I’m buying and why.
 

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So, Jeep is going to take a truck that sucks at towing, redesign it, and make it suck at towing with 1/3 the range and 1/4 the value retention? Brilliant!!! Everyone that's bored from not having a second brain cell to rub against the first one will be lining up for these! 🤣 🤣 🤣
 

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Jeep CEO Antonio Filosa has just confirmed the 2025 Jeep Gladiator 4xe hybrid (PHEV)!

In a post on Linkedin, Filosa revealed this by saying "Next year, we’ll extend that freedom of choice even further with a Gladiator 4xe option."
I just returned to this forum after a long absence. Why post about Gladiators when you can enjoy driving one? Anyway, I used to think I might like a plug-in hybrid until Hurricane Ian took out thousands of hybrids an EVs where I live.

But Jeeps are designed for fording, so perhaps Jeep builds them differently.
 

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I just flew across the country to visit family for a week and rented a 4xe Wrangler Willys. I enjoyed getting an opportunity to do a "long term" test of the 4xe since not only do I own a diesel Gladiator, but also a Chevy Volt (PHEV) and Chevy Bolt (EV). Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to take it off road, but I did get to evaluate its performance in pretty much every street driving scenario and I thought I would share my experience.

Jeep's integration of gas and electric blending isn't as refined as Chevy's, in particular when shifting from drive to reverse as there was oftentimes a large clunk/surge. The electric drive mode did not have as linear and easy-to-drive accelerator/regen pedal as the Volt and Bolt, which made it hard to drive smoothly. This is partially due to the fact that the power from the motor has to pass through a multi-speed transmission rather than being an all-range direct-drive, but the "throttle" and regen mapping need some work before they'll be on the same level as Chevy's.

Power and torque in hybrid mode felt roughly the same as that of my diesel Gladiator, but the Wrangler's little 4-cylinder really had to wind itself up and work hard to make its power, whereas the diesel just produces its power effortlessly. I really didn't like how much lag there was when stepping down on the accelerator before any power was produced; first the engine has to fire up, then match revs to the motor, then build some turbo boost, and then build some revs before it produced much acceleration. As an EV owner, I'm spoiled by the instant torque an electric motor produces so the little bit of lag my turbodiesel suffers from is already a disappointment, but that pales in comparison to the agonizingly long delay from the 4xe powertrain.

4xe power and torque were not quite what I was expecting either. 375hp/470tq under a lightweight Wrangler on little 31" tires should have impressed me, but it felt roughly the same as the 260hp/442tq from my HEAVILY uparmored Gladiator diesel on 37's with stock gearing. And as I mentioned, the 4xe has a long delay in power application, and it works really hard to produce its acceleration compared to the lazy diesel. I also have a Banks Derringer, which is a whole new level of fast when I need it with approximately 317hp/515tq. Wheelspin and traction control are an issue with my diesel anytime I get a little enthusiastic with the accelerator pedal; the only time I spun the tires on the 4xe was in the rain, and only when I put my foot to the floor.

Where the Wrangler 4xe shines is in around-town daily-driver applications. I put a couple hundred all-electric miles on the rental Jeep driving from town to town, and it was a very similar experience to what I'm used to with my Volt and Bolt. It saved me a full tank of gas over a week of driving. I got as much as 28 miles on a charge. Also, it drove like a regular gas-powered Jeep on the 2-hour highway trip to/from the airport, with no need to worry about finding a charging station. Overall fuel economy for the week was an indicated 25.2mpg, which is roughly what I would have gotten with my diesel Gladiator over the same week of mixed city/highway driving.....but on 37's and a lot more weight than the stock little Wrangler had to haul around.

Overall, the decision to go with a 4xe comes down to picking the right tool for the job. I think it makes a lot more sense in a mallcrawler Wrangler than it does in an offroading, tow/hauling Gladiator. A lot of people who want to daily drive a Gladiator on the street would appreciate the fuel savings and power boost over a gas engine, but I know that I'd sure miss the supplemental power and torque that the 4xe's electric motor produces when towing my travel trailer up into the mountains, since the battery would be depleted after only a few miles, leaving me with only the gas engine. In flat terrain it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but I bought a Gladiator because I like going up to the mountains and doing Jeep and truck things.

When the Gladiator first came out, I really wanted a 4xe version. But for my needs, I'm glad that I bought a diesel and didn't wait for the 4xe Gladiator to become available. For me, having an electric daily driver and a turbodiesel weekend toy makes a lot more sense.
 

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Now slap on some 37's and a half ton of accessories and cargo and see how far it gets you. You guys must know by now, anyone buying "EV's" is going to get screwed hard, they are the pigtail fluorescent bulb of the automotive industry, and nothing more. Something much, much better will be revealed, but only after they've stolen enough money from this scam. They're a very poorly, if at all thought out transitional cash cow that can't even come close to competing with ICE vehicles. No amount of positive thinking, hope or optimism will ever change that.
 
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Glad to see they're going to offer it. I am still the better part of a year from paying off my 2020 and it's only got 26k miles so I shouldn't be needing a new vehicle for a long time (knocks on wood).

There are trade offs with most trim/engine choices, not really any different with a 4xE.

I know there are a lot of people upset that we never got a Hemi or turbo but I think any change this big bodes well for the future of the Gladiator in general. Would be nice to see it as a permanent model alongside the Wrangler.
 

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Very brave, thanks for sharing.
Kind of like our grandparents saying they would never own a fuel injected or computer controlled vehicle LOL
 

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And as I mentioned, the 4xe has a long delay in power application
Interesting. There's a YouTube video of a guy that took his 4xe JL to the track. His 4xe would out-accelerate (or keep up with) most of the cars he raced, at least for the first few seconds.

I have a JTRD without any mods and dislike the delay when accelerating from a full stop. Love it after it gets rolling.
 

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Interesting. There's a YouTube video of a guy that took his 4xe JL to the track. His 4xe would out-accelerate (or keep up with) most of the cars he raced, at least for the first few seconds.

I have a JTRD without any mods and dislike the delay when accelerating from a full stop. Love it after it gets rolling.
IIRC, he was having to power brake it a fair bit to get the power to come in when the tree went green. He definitely wasn't just rolling it on.
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