Eco-Diesel Engine code Theory.

[NCJL]

My opinion. All the miscellaneous engine lights that pop up are due to wiring, effected by heat.
That’s my conclusion. Now my reasoning.
First. I’m an Electrician. 40 years. My only profession since HS. This has allowed me to be part of the transition from Hardwired systems to Smart systems. Not the programming, the installation. Fire Alarm and Control systems installation specifically apply to my reasoning.

Gotta go. TBC….

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[rharr]

similar ideas here:
https://www.torquenews.com/1084/202...es-owners-trailer-brakes-just#google_vignette

Under section:
Diagnostic Insights From The Dealer Service Drive

The premise is heat causes resistance, and modern low volt CAN systems are very sensitive to minor voltage changes caused by heat related resistance.

 

[rharr]

My opinion. All the miscellaneous engine lights that pop up are due to wiring, effected by heat.
That’s my conclusion. Now my reasoning.
First. I’m an Electrician. 40 years. My only profession since HS. This has allowed me to be part of the transition from Hardwired systems to Smart systems. Not the programming, the installation. Fire Alarm and Control systems installation specifically apply to my reasoning.

Gotta go. TBC….

Has the NFPA (72) been updated to try and address these new modern CAN systems used in fire alarms and signaling? It would be interesting to see what a building standards body would have to say to prevent these issues and then corollate them to ASTM standards for auto manufacturers

 

[NCJL]

Has the NFPA (72) been updated to try and address these new modern CAN systems? It would be interesting to see what a building standards body would have to say to prevent these issues and then corollate them to ASTM standards for auto manufacturers

Thank you.
You see where I’m going with this.
Generally speaking. Exceptions to everything.
The NFPA considers these low voltage systems. Fire Alarm (24v DC) and CAN type controls. Regulations are almost non-existent. Specifically installation methods.I can’t find any regulations related to auto manufacturers.

My world. These systems are Proprietary. I believe we can throw auto manufacturers in too. These systems are installed per Manufacturer’s requirements.

I will follow up with some examples.

I’m saying you can’t put the same type of wiring on 3.0 ED as you do with a 3.6. Different environmental conditions.
NFPA addresses this 100 different ways with building electrical installations.

 

[Vtur]

Those with a Tazer or security gate bypass device permanently installed are more likely to have electronic related issues.

 

[NCJL]

Fire alarm examples. Many times. The manufacturer call us. The system worked for a year. Now we are getting intermittent troubles all the time.
We would find things like the shielding of the cable not grounded, right wire wrong spec and so on. The system was installed in attic space. Works in the winter troubles in the summer.
In the building industry. All wire has a spec./UL type listing. All wire/cable is stamped with the type and number to verify the spec. The Smart systems are not as forgiving as the hardwired systems.
I don’t see any specs on the wiring under my hood. Hmmm

Wire (smart wire) has many different characteristics built in at the factory. Resistance. Capacitance, Twist per inch…etc. All designed to meet a spec requirement within pre-determined Ambient conditions.

 

[NCJL]

similar ideas here:
https://www.torquenews.com/1084/202...es-owners-trailer-brakes-just#google_vignette

Under section:
Diagnostic Insights From The Dealer Service Drive

The premise is heat causes resistance, and modern low volt CAN systems are very sensitive to minor voltage changes caused by heat related resistance.

Yes. This is an example of what some gladiator ED owners are experiencing.
A recent TSB was about shielding/rerouting wire for the cam shaft position sensor trouble code.
The evidence is there.

 

[NCJL]

Those with a Tazer or security gate bypass device permanently installed are more likely to have electronic related issues.

Yes lots of Tazer stories out there. My wife’s JLU has different set of lights and sounds go off every time she starts it. But it works! Lol

I removed the Tazer when I got the IDash. Cant have both. My JTRD.
IDash. Couldn’t see oil pressure. Talked to Banks. Told Banks has a licensing agreement with Mopar. Can only show what Mopar says. Oil pressure not allowed. This changes monthly. Banks said eventually Mopar will allow. Just not yet.
Why?

 

[Vtur]

Oil pressure can be viewed on the factory evic screen.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

Yes lots of Tazer stories out there. My wife’s JLU has different set of lights and sounds go off every time she starts it. But it works! Lol

I removed the Tazer when I got the IDash. Cant have both. My JTRD.
IDash. Couldn’t see oil pressure. Talked to Banks. Told Banks has a licensing agreement with Mopar. Can only show what Mopar says. Oil pressure not allowed. This changes monthly. Banks said eventually Mopar will allow. Just not yet.
Why?

Why can't you have them both?

 

[NCJL]

Oil pressure can be viewed on the factory evic screen.

Yes. But Mopar doesn’t allow Banks to show it. Why?

Why can't you have them both?

Physically both can be hooked up at the same time. The IDash can see the Tazar. Knows it shouldn’t be there. Does not work. Don’t know if the Tazar live functions would still work in reverse.
When IDash was first installed. Had a message, called Banks CS. “Do you have a Tazar installed” Yes. “You must remove it first” IDash worked after that.

 

[Vtur]

The Tazer bypassed the SGM by shorting out all CAN high C and CAN low IHS buses. One of the bus is from the head unit that has a separate 120 ohm resistor somewhere. A healthy CAN buses in our Gladiator is 60 ohm, with 2 120ohm resistor in parallel as a loop. When the Tazer or any bypass module is connected, it shorted that additional 120 ohm into the buses in parallel, which bring it down to a 40 ohm system. This is when cross-talk glitches can happen, especially with the high speed CAN C that are responsible for the ECM and TCM communication etc.

 

[rubicon4wheeler]

I have a Tazer and Banks iDash. They work perfectly together.

 

[NCJL]

I have a Tazer and Banks iDash. They work perfectly together. I can view oil pressure in both the iDash and the EVIC.

I wonder how, especially after reading Vtur’s previous post.
Banks said oil pressure would eventually be available. That’s was about 6 months ago. Time to refresh.

 

[Idlethunder]

I wonder how, especially after reading Vtur’s previous post.
Banks said oil pressure would eventually be available. That’s was about 6 months ago. Time to refresh.

I have a Tazer connected all the time and my iDash. Mine shows oil pressure fine and no problems with either. I believe that when ordering the iDash Banks had more than one that would work with my diesel. I don't know if it matters but mine is the 66760 iDash

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