Yeah I don’t know first hand. going off what has been released.And you know it is 6k from where officially? Lots of speculation but the official numbers have only stated to slip out with the recent order guide stating it would have a 200lb greater GVWR than the max tow which makes up for half the additional engine weight. All that has been stated officially is it will be ‘less’ than the max tow. My estimate is it will be 7200-7400 in line with the Grand Cherokee with the same engine.
haha TFL. Their antics are usually good for a laugh. Like I said, I will wait for the official release for the real numbers. There are multiple tow ratings on the v6 running from 4000-7650 depending on trim. They never mention a trim level and are vague about where that number comes from. Also the other two articles published the same day two other articles were published about the EcoDiesel release and went out of their way to state that the official towing numbers had not been released.Yeah I don’t know first hand. going off what has been released.
https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/07/it...-coming-soon-it-will-tow-up-to-6000-lbs-news/
Would that "high torque straight 6" be the on that makes the same torque at peak that the Pentastar meets or exceeds from 1800 to 6350rpm? The 3.6 likes revving but it has a pretty flat torque curve.unfortunately there is no Hemi option like with the Grand Cherokee to do a closer comparison with the additional power you are getting. When I did the math with my Grand Cherokee the difference between the Hemi and diesel was <$2k for double the MPG and more torque. Comparing with the V6 on MPG alone is not a good comparison. Why is it everyone seems to love that V6 but at best it is described as adequate? FCA needs to relegate that V6 back to just minivans and bring back a high torque straight 6.
Exactly, I'm not sure why the diesel debate always seems to go down the financial rabbit hole. It's a driving dynamics decision, not a financial one with modern diesels.Fuel economy, extended range, ease of towing, beefier engine, beefier transmission, and overall driveability makes the diesel a great option. In my opinion, it's like trying to justify a hellcat instead of buying the SRT. You don't need to find a justification, you buy it because you love the whole package. Either you love the diesel and everything it offers, or you don't love it. You should never buy something you don't love!
Agreed.Exactly, I'm not sure why the diesel debate always seems to go down the financial rabbit hole. It's a driving dynamics decision, not a financial one with modern diesels.
Fuel economy - It's a wash because AAA says diesel averages $0.40 more per gallon, right? Some places are less, some are more. But the added cost eats up the 4-6 MPG bump.Fuel economy, extended range, ease of towing, beefier engine, beefier transmission, and overall driveability makes the diesel a great option. In my opinion, it's like trying to justify a hellcat instead of buying the SRT. You don't need to find a justification, you buy it because you love the whole package. Either you love the diesel and everything it offers, or you don't love it. You should never buy something you don't love!
Fuel economy - It's a wash because AAA says diesel averages $0.40 more per gallon, right? Some places are less, some are more. But the added cost eats up the 4-6 MPG bump.
Range - This is a moot point because range is artificially limited by the fact that only about 50% of stations in the U.S. sell diesel. So unless you're planning to fill a bunch of jugs and haul them with you, range is also a wash.
Ease of towing - 100% agree
Beefier engine - EcoDiesel so far has proven to fail far sooner than Pentstar. Hopefully Gen 3 will be different, but the jury is still out on that.
Beefier transmission - I do like this!
Driveability - Pros and cons here too. The torque is very nice. The throttle response and lag is not. Overall, the driveability is poor in my opinion compared to the gas engine.
I don't think there are really many reasons at all to ever buy a diesel in a Wrangler. The Gladiator makes a little bit more sense because at least you can tow with it.
Yeah, but you're getting caught up in money again. Don't think about money, think about fuel economy. Better fuel economy means less trips to the pump and more range.Fuel economy - It's a wash because AAA says diesel averages $0.40 more per gallon, right? Some places are less, some are more. But the added cost eats up the 4-6 MPG bump.
It's not a moot point if you're doing expedition style of travel, or travel through remote parts of the country where there are no fuel stations. Range matters.Range - This is a moot point because range is artificially limited by the fact that only about 50% of stations in the U.S. sell diesel. So unless you're planning to fill a bunch of jugs and haul them with you, range is also a wash.
Absolutely!Ease of towing - 100% agree.
If it's a good engine, the EcoDiesel has proven to be a high mileage engine. There are EcoDiesel engines now with over 325,000 miles on them.Beefier engine - EcoDiesel so far has proven to fail far sooner than Pentstar. Hopefully Gen 3 will be different, but the jury is still out on that.
One of the Forum members now has over 500,000 miles on his factory transmission, and he tows for a living!Beefier transmission - I do like this!
Um, if there are fewer stations w/ diesel, wouldn’t extended ‘range’ be even More important?Range - This is a moot point because range is artificially limited by the fact that only about 50% of stations in the U.S. sell diesel. So unless you're planning to fill a bunch of jugs and haul them with you, range is also a wash.
I've never had an issue finding diesel.Um, if there are fewer stations w/ diesel, wouldn’t extended ‘range’ be even More important?