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I would have loved to be in the room when the idea of power seats was brought up.

Inline 6 —- nah
35’s from the factory —- nah
4xe - nahhh
Napa leather - oh your on to something. Those off roaders will love it!
Power seats —— that’s it! Your a genius!
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I would have loved to be in the room when the idea of power seats was brought up.

Inline 6 —- nah
35’s from the factory —- nah
4xe - nahhh
Napa leather - oh your on to something. Those off roaders will love it!
Power seats —— that’s it! Your a genius!
Who is off roading $60-70k Jeeps? Not many.

They could’ve put power seats in the 4 door JKs in 2007 and had a bunch of buyers.
 

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No idea why people take issues with the seats. Drive a Tacoma for a bit and these feel like a la-z-boy.
My wife doesn’t like them but we’ve made three back and forth trips across the us without issue now. Typically 14-19 hours in the truck a day.
 

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Who is off roading $60-70k Jeeps? Not many.

They could’ve put power seats in the 4 door JKs in 2007 and had a bunch of buyers.
A ton of people are at least in AZ.
 
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Hopefully more realistic pricing comes with him. I'm not in the market for a Wagoneer but who would buy one for $90k plus when Escalades still exist?
I would definitely take a GW over an Escalade. Cadillacs styling doesn't do it for me at all anymore, and quite frankly the jeep has a superior powertrain, and the infotainment system isn't even in the same league.
 

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I would definitely take a GW over an Escalade. Cadillacs styling doesn't do it for me at all anymore, and quite frankly the jeep has a superior powertrain, and the infotainment system isn't even in the same league.
All debatable points, and from what I read, the general consensus disagrees (except maybe infotainment, but a refresh of that is coming for the Escalade). Also the Cadillac offers the V... Stellantis should have thrown a Hellcat in the thing, but their woke virtue signaling is deciding to swan song one of the only things that makes them interesting and is worth a damn, aside from the Wrangler platform (and they are slowly screwing that up too), in their North American portfolio.

I think the Wagoneer is a huge miss. Even the base trims are positioned way too high for what you get. They didn't even try to offer a trail hawk version. Styling wise, front is fine, but from the rear it looks like a plus sized model wearing two sizes too small yoga pants. I'd say generally a major disappointment for the return of a historic nameplate and Stellantis's only full-sized SUV.

They should stick to what they know and do best instead of trying to become something they are not (and will never be). Just stick to the following and Jeep will be successful:

Trail hawk everything - and not some 4xe only top trim model. Jeeps are supposed to be off road vehicles. SO offer more that are good at you know, going off road... They also look better anyway.

POWER - figure it out and offer more than the competition. That is supposed to be what Mopar offers, because it has never been reliability.

Fun - like power, which is also fun, Mopar is supposed to be more fun that the other brands. SO fun colors makes sense - just shut up about offering some shades of grey for those of us that prefer it. 35 inch tires are fun - offer more of it... Also - how about trying to be fun with the other cars in the portfolio tho, the Cherokee, Compass, even GC are boring as hell.

Freedom - know your audience and lean into it. Freedom is also not being tethered to an electrical outlet...

Price - Quit pretending be Land Rover. Being Land Rover has not even worked out for Land Rover, so why would Jeep try to emulate???

Kill the Ducks - everytime I see someone with a dashboard full of ducks, makes me never want to be associated with those dipshits and stay away from the platform. You want one or a couple fine, I used to think they were cool too (hence the profile), but shit has gotten way out of control. (Same feelings for angry grills, but most people these days seem to agree that those are doushy).
 

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Who is off roading $60-70k Jeeps?
This is why my jeep was only 53k, so i could offroad it without scrutiny.

Prior to now, i assumed "electricifcation of the line by 2025" meant 4xe gladiator. But now with the 24 refresh with no 4xe and the old CEO fired for poor sales, i think the JT is getting axed.
 
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I think the JT is nearing its end as well. They killed the best and only viable engine for the platform. I was just thinking that the other day... I definitely wouldn't buy one now. The diesel was what sold me to begin with. I also have no interest in electric vehicles.
 

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Crazy to think how the only convertible pickup truck with the most backseat leg room of any midsize truck on the market is failing. Huge fumble by Jeep
 

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Mojave seats have always been better- more lumbar and big bolsters, cloth or leather. But yes, 4+ hours in one in a day is a back-aching affair. Power adjusting might help getting that angle right but for the love of all that is good and holy, why doesn't Jeep at least make a dead pedal standard??

Or maybe they're saving it for a $15K X Recon package on the 2025?
Agree with the Mojave seats….in fact it was one of the drivers for me picking the Mojave. The seats were noticeably ”better” for me in the test drives.

Did an 8. 5 hour trip home from the dealer in mine and felt great when I jumped out. …..sorry not bragging, just stating the truth. That said , I do want to slap the bean counters at Jeep for not including a dead pedal.
 

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All debatable points, and from what I read, the general consensus disagrees (except maybe infotainment, but a refresh of that is coming for the Escalade). Also the Cadillac offers the V... Stellantis should have thrown a Hellcat in the thing, but their woke virtue signaling is deciding to swan song one of the only things that makes them interesting and is worth a damn, aside from the Wrangler platform (and they are slowly screwing that up too), in their North American portfolio.

I think the Wagoneer is a huge miss. Even the base trims are positioned way too high for what you get. They didn't even try to offer a trail hawk version. Styling wise, front is fine, but from the rear it looks like a plus sized model wearing two sizes too small yoga pants. I'd say generally a major disappointment for the return of a historic nameplate and Stellantis's only full-sized SUV.

They should stick to what they know and do best instead of trying to become something they are not (and will never be).…….

POWER - figure it out and offer more than the competition. That is supposed to be what Mopar offers, because it has never been reliability.

Fun - like power, which is also fun, Mopar is supposed to be more fun that the other brands. SO fun colors makes sense…….

Freedom - know your audience and lean into it. Freedom is also not being tethered to an electrical outlet...

Price - Quit pretending be Land Rover. Being Land Rover has not even worked out for Land Rover, so why would Jeep try to emulate???…..

Duck these are some of the most on point comments about the current Jeep situation I have read recently and I agree with every one of the ones above.

One of the problems I see from a corporate overview is that Jeep is not run by Americans anymore. No offense to our European and South American friends but the Jeep brand is uniquely American and try as they might someone who has lived and worked most of their life in Europe or some other place is going to have an extremely hard time truly understanding the Jeep Culture.

We (Jeep) need a CEO with a combination of Lee Iacocca and Norman Swartzkoff to get Jeep back on track.

I wish @JeepCares could run your comments up to the top of the corporate flagpole but I seriously doubt it…
 

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Agree with the Mojave seats….in fact it was one of the drivers for me picking the Mojave. The seats were noticeably ”better” for me in the test drives.

Did an 8. 5 hour trip home from the dealer in mine and felt great when I jumped out. …..sorry not bragging, just stating the truth. That said , I do want to slap the bean counters at Jeep for not including a dead pedal.
I also agree. The mojave seats are plenty comfy for long road trips, and also worth mentioning, the ride is just an immense improvement over my old JK.

The first mod I did, on day 2 of ownership, was installing a $30 dead pedal. What gives, Jeep?
 

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Duck these are some of the most on point comments about the current Jeep situation I have read recently and I agree with every one of the ones above.

One of the problems I see from a corporate overview is that Jeep is not run by Americans anymore. No offense to our European and South American friends but the Jeep brand is uniquely American and try as they might someone who has lived and worked most of their life in Europe or some other place is going to have an extremely hard time truly understanding the Jeep Culture.

We (Jeep) need a CEO with a combination of Lee Iacocca and Norman Swartzkoff to get Jeep back on track.

I wish @JeepCares could run your comments up to the top of the corporate flagpole but I seriously doubt it…
its a uniquely American vehicle that has, is and always will be a serious international hit. Lest we forget that it made its biggest and most significant impact originally in Europe, followed by the rest of the world in good time.

There have been some great comments that are right on point and it’s a theme. But I disagree with this one - it’s got nothing to do with a man or woman’s nationality.

It’s got everything to do with listening to consumers in local markets. 100% this is what it is about. Ie listen to Jeepers, everywhere. Tailor your product.

ie here in Australia the decision to kill off diesel basically instantly terminated what was a successful and building sales case.

I am all for 4xe and all for the rightfully needed energy transition. But it’s not a case of flicking a switch. This transition will take decades. Solutions need to be proven. A ceo cannot completely ignore a booming diesel sales market and say “have this v6 petrol instead”.

No v6 petrol vehicles have had notable sales performance here for nearly two decades. It’s ALL diesel here. Hence forth the gladiator will not / does not sell here. Inspite of being easily the best and most respected platform of all brands available. It’s got a motor no one, not it a million years would ever buy. People here will never go back in time 20yrs and put up with a v6 petrol after having a plethora of very good diesel options available to them in EVERY competitor.

And the worst thing was that we already had the Rubicon unlimited available in 019/020 with the awesome little 2.2L crd, only to have them (that idiot ceo etc) kill it off as a sales success. While everyone was waiting and hoping for the 2.2L or (less optimal) 3.0L v6 crd to come along with the gladiator. Nope. Idiots

From what I read your issues are much the same. Some corporate to$$er makes a brain dead decision that neuters a product on the spot. by refusing to cater to specific market tastes.

Who knows? Maybe “they” are listening. He got fired. That’s a good start. Hopefully they read forums like this and chiefly listen to local dealers and actually pay some respect to local markets / customers.
 
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I hope your last paragraph is true but I’m not holding out hope.

I read in a business paper (WSJ) that the reason the CEO got canned was due to Jeep going bankrupt in China. Unfortunately it apparently didn’t have anything to do with the US (and Aussie) situation.

The Chinese auto industry is poised to take over the auto market with much lower cost vehicles. Now to be clear I am not in favor of that but the writing is on the wall and if manufacturers can’t get their pricing in line they won’t be in business in 10 years. As an example the Chinese share of the European market has TRIPPLED in just the last year.

Mr Tavaris is suppose to be a sharp negotiator but I feel that even he won’t be able to stop the tide.

I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again Jeep’s pricing strategy is out of whack. Charging $20,000 more for their 4Xe platform is ridiculous while Toyota only charged $1800 for a similar set up. We will be replacing my wife’s Grand Cherokee next year with either an electric or hybrid vehicle and when comparing costs I can get a nicely optioned Model Y for $55K vs. $75K for a GC 4Xe. While I know they are not the same vehicle there is no way the Jeep is worth $20K more and many people must share my opinion as these vehicles aren’t moving…
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