Oh Jeep... Why you so backwards?

[Orange01z28]

In racing pulling back to upshift is normal. Watch some rally racing. I thought the other way was backwards.

Same here

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[sharpsicle]

Current thread summary:

OP: This thing is backwards
½ replies: Nah, it's fine and actually makes sense
OP: How can you call my opinion wrong?
All replies: It's no big deal...
OP: How can I reverse this?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Actually you got that right. The R is reversed......................

My pic is the T5 - used in Camaro, Mustang and Jeep for years. I'd have to get used to going the other way for reverse.
But then go back even further, R was clear over in the opposite corner.

I still find it amusing that Jeep trucks are being compared to rally and race vehicles - at least some of them. I showed video of a 184 mph race car with a split pattern - so even in racing you find it both ways.

 

[81Mojave]

I don’t understand why you all are driving Autos to begin with ?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don’t understand why you all are driving Autos to begin with ?

Towing - and for complex trailer backing maneuvers, autos do better.

 

[81Mojave]

Towing - and for complex trailer backing maneuvers, autos do better.

Yes true, I was just poking the bear!

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

Current thread summary:

OP: This thing is backwards
½ replies: Nah, it's fine and actually makes sense
OP: How can you call my opinion wrong?
All replies: It's no big deal...
OP: How can I reverse this?

 

[jsalbre]

To actually answer the OPs question: if you want to reverse it you’ll need to disassemble the shifter and find what wires (these could be traces on a circuit board) connect to the switch (or contact) for each direction. Then you’ll need to do some wire moving or trace cutting and soldering to reverse it. Should be doable, but it’s gonna be risky.

It could also turn out that it’s all controlled by an encoder circuit of some kind and there aren’t any contacts or wires you can mess with.

The only way you’re going to know for sure is if you pull out your shifter and disassemble it.

 

[mazeppa]

No tuner or disassembly needed to remedy the backward shifting pattern; this is my solution.

 

[Gvsukids]

Current thread summary:

OP: This thing is backwards
½ replies: Nah, it's fine and actually makes sense
OP: How can you call my opinion wrong?
All replies: It's no big deal...
OP: How can I reverse this?

And this is the second thread about the same topic.

 

[steve68]

True - but those are for racing and how many here take their cars to the track with a sequential shift manual?
These are automatics and automatics have always been back for down.
Guys who argue that these are normal always reference race equipment, not normal cars and trucks as they came factory.

We are talking production normal vehicles, not what you see watching races on TV LOL - that's a funny argument "watch on TV".
How many here drive such vehicles on a REGULAR basis? How many here grew up with cars with floor shifts that had reverse pattern?
Ya know why they are called reverse pattern valve bodies? Because they are BACKWARDS from production, backwards from NORMAL automatics.
These are not quarter mile track trucks with inline manual shifters. These aren't race trucks, they are ordinary production vehicles, why do people keep claiming it's normal because RACE vehicles shift that way?

Show me a production car with an automatic where D or 3rd or high is at the back and low is forward.
Go look at Mustang, Camaro, whatever. Low is back, D or high gear is forward. I have a NOS mustang automatic shifter in my shop. 1, 2, 3, as you move forward.

And for those comparing to inline manual shifters - show me a production car that most people have owned or driven with high gear to the rear. I don't mean racing or performance or a Mercedes or BMW - I mean something the majority of people have owned or driven.

Funny, now we're comparing Gladiators to race and rally vehicles.

I agree with this,

I have never pulled any auto trans to shift up in gears, all of the automatics, I've owned and driven, long list, production based cars truck have always been 1,2,3,4 if OD,

 

[2TH MVR]

After the 1st page, I jumped ahead to the end - and apparently didn't miss anything.

Funny. So true. I find it interesting that so many here actually use the manual shifting in their automatics. I'm sure there are times when towing up a hill or low speed obstacles ... you need a particular gear, but it's not like you are at the drag strip trying to break the 10 second 1/4 mile in a jeep.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Funny. So true. I find it interesting that so many here actually use the manual shifting in their automatics. I'm sure there are times when towing up a hill or low speed obstacles ... you need a particular gear, but it's not like you are at the drag strip trying to break the 10 second 1/4 mile in a jeep.

Ever drive in mountains? Sure you have - you're in AZ.
You'll appreciate the ability to downshift and use engine braking. I was thankful my 95 F250 had tow mode and the ability to downshift when I was towing over 6,000 pounds of car and flatbed through the mountains out east. And in CO, I was using it a lot, my brakes never got even close to "hot". I spent a lot of down-hill times in 2nd and 3rd manual mode.

 

[DanW]

Is there a tuner that remedies this?

From the dawn of creation, upshifting an automatic transmission was done by pushing the shifter towards the firewall in the natural motion that God intended. Conversely, downshifting was done in a pulling motion.

Anyone else having difficulty making the shift?

Just get a manual and do it right.

Honestly, my brother has the auto in his JT and manually shifs it sometimes. I chuckle when he does. It's awkward with a non-dual clutch auto, no matter which way the lever goes. Besides that, this auto is so good at finding the right gear, I don't know why anyone would bother except for long steep descents on mountain roads.

 

[sharpsicle]

Besides that, this auto is so good at finding the right gear, I don't know why anyone would bother except for long steep descents on mountain roads.

Because there's this odd perception that it must be able to do "x" in "y" gear, regardless of design or capability. Then when it doesn't, the masses scream in horror. Doesn't matter if it's actually doing it right or not, if it doesn't meet some random "requirement" then it's wrong.

Just like this whole thread... "they put the shifter in wrong"... well, no, they didn't, you just have some made-up requirement that makes you think that. It's perfectly fine as-is.

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