Official EcoDiesel Oil and Filter Recommendations

[Sank]

How long has your oil been in the engine (Time)? I would expect your wear metals to be slightly higher than his since he is running a bypass filter to pull more of the small particles out.

I don't have exact, but approx. 6 mos.

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[CrazyCooter]

I don't have exact, but approx. 6 mos.

That's a pretty wide spread for oil that is not that old. ....Hmmm Yours is 6.5-7 vs his 10? Maybe because of his slightly larger sump capacity from the added bypass system? Could be a difference in batch too, but if so that's pretty low QC?

@NCJL Were you one of the people that installed an oil cooler in your bypass system?

 

[Motopilot0311]

These Oil posts are fun. ?

I love the data collection as its actual real world results not "WhAt FcA sEz MuSt bE GoDs wOrD". Ill be putting in Amsoil 5w-40 AFL tomorrow with OEM filtration. See yall on the trails.

 

[NCJL]

That's a pretty wide spread for oil that is not that old. ....Hmmm Yours is 6.5-7 vs his 10? Maybe because of his slightly larger sump capacity from the added bypass system? Could be a difference in batch too, but if so that's pretty low QC?

@NCJL Were you one of the people that installed an oil cooler in your bypass system?

Yes I installed the ID bypass system myself, then made changes. I taped into the factory plugs at the bottom of the filter housing. (1/4” tap reduced to 1/8”). I also added an oil cooler. The return oil line is taped into the oil pan. All lines are 3/8. Total oil in the system is now 12 quarts.

Oil temps average up to 20* less with changes. Max oil temps with change is 243* for less than a minute when really pushing up a grade.

The Motul oil is already impressing me with the quieter sound of the engine. Noticed very quickly after change. Such a difference I now hear different sounds from the engine that was not noticeable before. Been driving diesels for the last 20 years.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Yes I installed the ID bypass system myself, then made changes. I taped into the factory plugs at the bottom of the filter housing. (1/4” tap reduced to 1/8”). I also added an oil cooler. The return oil line is taped into the oil pan. All lines are 3/8. Total oil in the system is now 12 quarts.

Oil temps average up to 20* less with changes. Max oil temps with change is 243* for less than a minute when really pushing up a grade.

The Motul oil is already impressing me with the quieter sound of the engine. Noticed very quickly after change. Such a difference I now hear different sounds from the engine that was not noticeable before. Been driving diesels for the last 20 years.

I installed the muffler delete tail pipe to make room for the cooler under the bed, but I have not pulled the trigger yet. It will be in the 90's this week and I'm towing the RV next week, so oil temps will be a concern again.

Again, concerned about warranty denial even though I'm trying to help relieve stress on the engine by lowering the high temps.

 

[biodiesel]

Again, concerned about warranty denial even though I'm trying to help relieve stress on the engine by lowering the high temps.

I don't want to try talking you out of something you don't feel comfortable with, but an engine or transmission failure before the warranty expires would be extremely rare.

Now, if you had a gen 2 EcoDiesel with the 15% failure rate, then I'd say keep that warranty intact!

 

[CrazyCooter]

I don't want to try talking you out of something you don't feel comfortable with, but an engine or transmission failure before the warranty expires would be extremely rare.

Now, if you had a gen 2 EcoDiesel with the 15% failure rate, then I'd say keep that warranty intact!

You start adding up all the stuff that warranty could be voided....Gear job, axle warranty void. PSC steering, steering warranty void. Tazer and 393 paddle shifters, electronics warranty void. Amsoil and oil cooler, engine warranty void. Oversized tires, trans and tcase warranty void. Maybe I should just cancel and cash in my extended warranty all together!

 

[NCJL]

I installed the muffler delete tail pipe to make room for the cooler under the bed, but I have not pulled the trigger yet. It will be in the 90's this week and I'm towing the RV next week, so oil temps will be a concern again.

Again, concerned about warranty denial even though I'm trying to help relieve stress on the engine by lowering the high temps.

Agree. Correct me if I’m wrong. The only concern is the fuel pump on these motors. The FP is part of a National recall. Seems unlikely that any ones FP failure could be denied. I did read another recent thread about a dealer denying a victim to the FP failure, literally makes no sense.

I added a 1 micron oil bypass filter to the factory system. I’m also doing oil analysis. Factory oil pressure has not changed. Based on the only oil analysis I’ve done so far, the engine is in good health. I will keep doing this.

I also added a Aux fuel tank gravity feeding the factory tank with a 1 micron filter/water separator.

My biggest concern is not to cool the engine too much from factory design, thus Causing the emissions systems to have a shorter life without the hi heat aiding the system. The oil cooler is on a switch. I only turn it on when I know the potential to go over 240* is present. Basically only when towing up a grade. I’ve only remembered to turn it ON once before hitting 240* oil temps. The system works good enough that I have forgotten about hi oil temps.

 

[biodiesel]

You start adding up all the stuff that warranty could be voided....Gear job, axle warranty void. PSC steering, steering warranty void. Tazer and 393 paddle shifters, electronics warranty void. Amsoil and oil cooler, engine warranty void. Oversized tires, trans and tcase warranty void. Maybe I should just cancel and cash in my extended warranty all together!

A lot will boil down to the dealer and your relationship with them. With that said, I'm at 112,500 miles on my 2015 EcoDiesel and haven't had any warranty denied. The 2020 EcoDiesel has 25,000 miles and I haven't had any warranty work done.

As long as the failure isn't a direct cause of my modification and/or lubricant, my dealer isn't going to deny warranty.

 

[CrazyCooter]

A lot will boil down to the dealer and your relationship with them. With that said, I'm at 112,500 miles on my 2015 EcoDiesel and haven't had any warranty denied. The 2020 EcoDiesel has 25,000 miles and I haven't had any warranty work done.

As long as the failure isn't a direct cause of my modification and/or lubricant, my dealer isn't going to deny warranty.

I have a very low opinion of my dealer because of the negative feedback in the community and my limited personal dealings whith them. "Cannot duplicate" is a tech favorite "I don't feel like doing warranty work" out. I honestly don't want some lazy shitbag dealer line tech touching my equipment, but if my engine scatters, I don't want to pay $15k or do it myself either.......

Literally every time either the Dodge or Jeeps dealers have touched one of my vehicles for a recall, they came out with another problem I had to fix myself. Last time I was lucky enough to have the jeep strand me in my shop parking lot and I found the loose ground wire they left off when replacing my parking brake pedal. They also ignore my instructions of not touching anything else on the vehicle without my approval and do me favors in performing tasks with lower quality parts that have already been adressed.

They also want top dollar for any purchase with this level of service? I bought elsewhere and sent them a letter telling them why so it could be corrected if desired.

 

[biodiesel]

I have a very low opinion of my dealer because of the negative feedback in the community and my limited personal dealings whith them.

Unfortunately, that seems to be way too common. There are many good dealers out there, but they get overshadowed by the incompetent ones. I live in diesel country, so we have lots of diesel techs. And since so many EcoDiesels were sold, our dealer has two designated EcoDiesel techs. Both techs have a lot of experience with diagnosing and repairing.

I had my dealer's transmission tech do a drain and fill on my ZF 8-speed transmission. I provided the PPE transmission pan and Amsoil fluid. The dealer let me pull a fluid sample and charged me $140 for labor, which I thought was fair.

You may have to drive outside of your area to find a dealer that you're happy with.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Unfortunately, that seems to be way too common. There are many good dealers out there, but they get overshadowed by the incompetent ones. I live in diesel country, so we have lots of diesel techs. And since so many EcoDiesels were sold, our dealer has two designated EcoDiesel techs. Both techs have a lot of experience with diagnosing and repairing.

I had my dealer's transmission tech do a drain and fill on my ZF 8-speed transmission. I provided the PPE transmission pan and Amsoil fluid. The dealer let me pull a fluid sample and charged me $140 for labor, which I thought was fair.

You may have to drive outside of your area to find a dealer that you're happy with.

Next dealer is 50 miles away and just had a conversation with a client yesterday about her negative dealings. Next one is 140 miles away.

My feelings in general is that humans here in our shithole state overall suck, so its just safer to not depend on any of them for best results and minimizing disappointment. On the plus side, it makes me look like a rockstar at work just by following through with what I promised.

 

[22EcoDs]

@biodiesel what are your thoughts on t6 given some of the oil analysis from other forums on the gen3? What about napa fleet or euro ?

 

[Almost]

@biodiesel what are your thoughts on t6 given some of the oil analysis from other forums on the gen3? What about napa fleet or euro ?

Terrible. The oil analysis reports shows the 3rd gen motor to be extremely harsh on oil with it shearing most oils down to 30w around 5K. T6 was one of the worst performers. Regardless of what oil you use it's probably best to keep your oil change intervals short. I change mine when it gets to 50% oil life. Penzoil Platnum Euro, Motul and Amsoil seem to be the best so far based on actual tests. But they will all shear around 5-7K. There is a FB group that has a bunch of people testing and submitting samples. I think it's called "Ecodiesel for dummies".

 

[biodiesel]

@biodiesel what are your thoughts on t6 given some of the oil analysis from other forums on the gen3? What about napa fleet or euro ?

T6 seems to hold up fairly well. I know one guy that went 120,000 miles on his 2020 EcoDIesel using T6, but he didn't take UOA samples. GDE runs T6 in his Wrangler EcoDiesel and has taken UOA samples. GDE doesn't see any reason not to run T6.

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