Jeep to stop stocking popular gas models in Delaware ( no politics please)

[Riviera]

Budweiser stock price is up 67 cents from a year ago, I think they'll survive. The oil Industry receives over $20 Billion in subsidies from the .S. alone, all while making record profits. Many industries receive subsidies, it should be little surprise the ev industry is seeing some of that as well. As we continue to make this nonpolitical.

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[redriderjf87]

Budweiser stock price is up 67 cents from a year ago, I think they'll survive.

I wouldn't so easily dismiss losing billions of dollars. It's definitely a huge blow that makes them more dependent on the Soros bucks that led to the situation.


Push insanity, lose billions. That would be another way you could say it.

 

[Mflowers11]

As has been mentioned in multiple posts here previously, CA can't keep the power on now. What happens when EVs make up 15 or even 20% of the market?

Fact: They day after stating there would be no gas powered vehicles (lawnmowers!) sold in CA after a certain date…the CA power company asked its customers not to charge their cars. ?

Fact: Many of the fires brought on by “Global Warming” are the result of poor electrical infrastructure failures.

As someone else said, Tesla is making money, a lot of it, not because anyone was forced to purchase them. They have a great product but it’s not compatible with all lifestyles, commutes, and if everyone had one no one could drive them. We don’t have the infrastructure to support it….

Perhaps CA can go their own way as a proof of concept experiment!!! If they know better than a fiscally (not politically) conservative state let them prove it first.

Don’t worry, I’m not getting political. Just speaking about a different way of looking at fiscal & infrastructure issues. Cheers!

 

[RudeJeepin]

So let's say they do come out with a 4xe Gladiator, what size generator do I need in the back to be able to continuously run off of electric mode only?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Fact: They day after stating there would be no gas powered vehicles (lawnmowers!) sold in CA after a certain date…the CA power company asked its customers not to charge their cars. ?

Fact: Many of the fires brought on by “Global Warming” are the result of poor electrical infrastructure failures.

As someone else said, Tesla is making money, a lot of it, not because anyone was forced to purchase them. They have a great product but it’s not compatible with all lifestyles, commutes, and if everyone had one no one could drive them. We don’t have the infrastructure to support it….

Perhaps CA can go their own way as a proof of concept experiment!!! If they know better than a fiscally (not politically) conservative state let them prove it first.

Don’t worry, I’m not getting political. Just speaking about a different way of looking at fiscal & infrastructure issues. Cheers!

Fact check:
CA power company did not say "not to charge cars" - stop reading the click-bait out there like Fortune Magazine and others.
What they did say was "try to limit it to off-peak hours" - which can be done in many cases as they can be programmed, and, off-peak is in the night when people are home, sleeping, charging cars to get ready for the next day. The state operator also urged residents to conserve power by setting their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, avoiding the use of major appliances and turning off unnecessary lights. DUH stuff. CA has been experiencing a heat wave. It's not normal. So it's an emergency situation. The California Energy Commission says charging EVs will remain a small fraction of all the power used during peak hours — jumping from 1% in 2022 to 5% in 2030 and 10% in 2035.
Of course, that's also all best-case stuff. So - it will be a bumpy road, but, no, no one asked anyone to not charge their cars. You set the charging up either on the vehicle's on-board charging settings, or via the charger itself. You get home at 6 or 7pm, you plug it in, go in the house and at 9:01pm, charging starts.
Granted, it may not be enough time for some EVs, and for some it will be fine.
The problem is the unprecedented heat wave (and poorly constructed systems in some areas)

Many fires have been caused by one company's (Pacific Gas & Electric) poor maintenance and policies, however, global warming contributed to some of that because storms caused trees to hit power lines and infrastructure, causing fires. So - two things - had the power company done a better job, the trees would not have hit lines. OTOH, the uptick in storms and heat caused the trees to hit the structure to begin with. Blame both.
It's not as simple as you stated. It's a bad combination of events and poor practices.
It's safer to say "some of the wild fires" - not many. And storms contributed as well - as well as the heat and wind that is normally not experienced out there.
Oh, and here's from a study on the causes of the problems and fires out there - so, the line "many of..." is very misleading, not telling the whole story, and placing blame in one area instead of several, where it belongs -
>>Supply chain problems, inspector training and retention issues also key flaws, report says<<

Hmm, can't get employees - a national issue, supply chain problems - a national issue, and so on....they also say other states may find similar issues due to the fact no one wants to WORK any more - they want to create products and sit at home and sell stuff on the internet.

VERY interesting report from Columbia University on the fires and causes and so on.

Importantly, while current wildfire activity in California is of national concern given its population, the size of its economy, and its climate leadership, the largest increases in wildfire activity are expected in other states. The map below, taken from a 2015 study in the International Journal of Wildland Fire, shows how different regions across the US are likely to be affected. As is painfully evident in the map, many regions are likely to face growing danger, notably the Southeast and Northwest parts of the country.
So, another source says - it's not just that power company.
The comment would be far more accurate if it didn't say "many" but did say "some".

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So let's say they do come out with a 4xe Gladiator, what size generator do I need in the back to be able to continuously run off of electric mode only?

I have some really big extension cords you could borrow if you need......my neighbor has a big Kohler whole-house generator I bet would work. The problem is it would max out your payload and then some.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I love you combo of vehicle colors, they go well together.

Thanks. I actually washed the JT today (long overdue) and I had washed my wife's 4xe last week - seeing the two of them together outside - I agree, what a combo.

 

[HappyGladiator]

You want to buy an EV anything, go for it. But as for me, I will give up my gas/diesel powered vehicle when they pry my cold dead hands from the steering wheel.
Remove all the tax brakes from EV's and let the free market decide what happens to them.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Remove all the tax brakes from EV's and let the free market decide what happens to them.

It's happening.
Heck, you can buy a decent Tesla and some other EVs and hybrids now at roughly the same price as a pure gas or diesel driven model.

The "tax breaks" were to jump start things - and to motivate the manufacture of things in the USA - and IMO, if a tax break brings manufacturing and other services to the USA, I'm in.

There's got to be incentives to get things started, especially in the beginning of a specific technology as prices are extremely high on a small scale. Once things ramp up and the scale increases, the incentives can be removed and it's self-supporting. Thanks to Tesla (and Toyota buying a Tesla, and dismantling it to see what made it tick and "how the heck do they build these things") it's fast becoming reality. Competition and innovations will drive prices down. We're really close to the point where those "tax breaks" can be diminished, at least from where I sit.

 

[BourbonRunner]

Competition and innovations will drive prices down.

QFT.

That being what we are seeing here is the gubmint putting its thumb on the scale to deliver a new paradigm that isn't grounded in reality, let alone what the consumers want. We're not being given a choice in this case and that's the biggest issue the majority of us have with it.

CIP: the environmentalist lobby loves to tout that we've shuttered 40% of our coal fired power generation and it now only accounts for around 20-21% of total US output annually.

But what they don't mention is that 90% of that 40% have been converted to natural gas. So they haven't been shut down, they've just been repositioned.

Gas accounts for 38-40% of total power generation in the US and climbing as nuclear plants continue to go off line. Combined with biomass and petroleum, over 62% of all US domestic production burns something to create power.

Wind is just over 9.2%. Solar is 2.8%. Hydro is 6.1%.

Point is that the BEV is getting 60% of its "fuel" from the burning of something, and our current grids cannot handle the stress of increasing that government forced "demand" for BEVs.

Hybrids, OTOH make the most sense for the majority of Americans on a number of levels, be they PHEVs or parallel hybrids. Recall the CEO of Toyota saying the same. Hybrids do not tax the grids the way BEVs do. They can work with existing infrastructure, they still provide road taxes, and don't suffer from the drawbacks of slow charging times and limited range due to performance, weather, etc.

But don't tell that to a bureaucrat or a politician pandering for votes.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Hybrids, OTOH make the most sense for the majority of Americans on a number of levels, be they PHEVs or parallel hybrids.

I do agree with that. For us, especially, no way a pure EV could function for our main vehicle.
A 4xe, on the other hand, as I've already posted, is ideal, especially for my wife.
I think there needs to be a mix - at least for the foreseeable future. Going whole hog into pure EV really fast ain't gonna work.
Some say that the people responding to polls saying "yes, I am considering an EV purchase" has dropped - why? Because those who want a pure EV may already have them, but others are realizing they are in similar situations to me - ain't gonna work today, or even in 2030 without a heck of a lot of improvements and charging stations that actually work. And I don't mean only along interstates. Not all travel is along I80 or I35 (or any other I for that matter)
Don't get me wrong, not reversing position or anything, just saying too soon, too fast.
Hybrids make sense - PHEV makes good sense.

I am in a semi-unique place in this as well - power generation? Iowa is one of the top states as far as not "burning something".
Over 62% of Iowa's electricity comes from wind. That's approaching 2/3 of our power - and we export, sell electric to Illinois.

Renewable sources powered 88.5% of MidAmerican Iowa customers' energy in 2021.
That means they "burned something" to produce only 11.5% of the electricity produced by MidAmerican, the Iowa Utilities Board has verified the results.

So I don't feel the slightest bit guilty about saying our 4xe is recharged mostly by wind and sun. ?

 

[Rusty PW]

Transmission electric lines. 525KV to 735KV. When overloaded. Get hot. When hot. They expand and sag. When sagging, they touch trees and start fires.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Transmission electric lines. 525KV to 735KV. When overloaded. Get hot. When hot. They expand and sag. When sagging, they touch trees and start fires.

Or this happens............

In our case, trees were blown down into wires.

Stuff happens.

 

[Elff]

So here is the important question
What % of EV cars will cause the same strain on the electrical infrastructure in CA, that the heat wave did?
Because at that point, you have a permanent situation.

That's the question no one seems to ask or know the answer to.

And then, what % of EV cars, will cause off peak charging to have the same issue as on peak charging, especially since most people work during the day.

And at that point what do you do?
You can't drive to work
but you also can't work from home because..... Electric limitations.

It's just a matter of when this becomes a ChitChow

 

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

Jeep to stop stocking popular gas models in Delaware

Exclusive: Jeep to stop stocking popular gas models in Delaware (delawarebusinesstimes.com)

"" CEO of Lakeshore Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Seaford and managing partner of Willis Ford in Smyrna, said he received notification last week from the brand’s parent company, Stellantis, that he could not receive regular shipments of two popular Jeep gasoline-powered models to stock on his lot “because we are considered a ‘California state.’”

“People will still be able to direct order these gas-powered models, but that could take weeks before they are delivered,” Viswanathan noted.

The prohibited gas-powered Jeeps cited in the notification are the Wrangler four-door Sport, Sahara and Rubicon and the Wrangler two-door Sport and Rubicon. According to the letter, the Jeep Wrangler 4XE and the Jeep Grand Cherokee 4XE, both electric models, will be available to keep in stock in the First State"".

"" Delaware is not alone in this new stocking prohibition for gas vehicles, as California, New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Washington, Oregon, New Jersey, Maryland, and Colorado are also included due to their adoption of the ZEV standards."".

Jeep parent company constantly engages in the opposite politics of most of its customers. Gladiator forum: no politics. I won't engage. I know what happened to Jeepbeersleep

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