Jeep CEO admits last CEO was bad

[texanjeeper]

Tavares had plenty of other faults but I give him a pass on the EV thing as previously mentioned.

Well....it looks like the board of directors didn't.

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[texanjeeper]

The most taxpayer subsidized thing on Earth is oil. Gasoline is cheap in the United States because of massive taxpayer subsidies. How much blood, sweat, and treasure have we spent in the Middle East for oil? My bad I forgot those wars were because we wanted to spread democracy.

Stating that EVs are taxpayer subsidized but not oil is one of the dumbest things I've heard in quite a while.

Same old tired, ignorant lines.

'They're not ready yet'
'I drive 1,000 miles a day'
'They need to build charging stations on every block first'

You'll notice that nobody who actually owns an EV says any of these things because it's all bullshit. EVs are absolute game changers that can save you a fortune. Just lol at paying for gas to drive to work/run errands. I'm in Palm Springs for Super Bowl weekend..... charged at home for free and will not have to charge to get home. Gladiator would have cost me $120 in gas. I guess that's what a smart person would do though right? EV's are all hype.

lmfao

There is so much wrong with this post, I wouldn't know where to begin.

 

[Rusty PW]

 

[MPMB]

There is so much wrong with this post, I wouldn't know where to begin.

You can just start with "Reading what you want to read" and go from there.


Info is all over the place, too, on how much an EV will save over an ICE vehicle. It's highly regional, based on fuel and electricity costs, mechanic costs (for maintenance), and what you consider a home-installed fast charger - a vehicle expense or a "home upgrade."

But from the US DOE, which probably has done the largest analysis, the advantage of EV is $0.04 per mile. Over 200,000 miles, that's $8000. And this is only *maintenance,* not actual total cost that would include purchase price, electricity vs. gas, etc.

Here's a hilariously wrong click-baity headline:
Finally, here’s the exact cost of owning an electric car vs gas car – The Hill

In my situation, however, I no longer live in a state that has cheap hydroelectric power that's hugely dependable (but no real option for solar). I can add a solar system where I am now, but that only works so long in the day, costs a buttload to add battery storage to drive home use in case of an outage, and has some of its own issues.

With the level of growth Utah is experiencing, power outages do happen. While we have yet to have one last more than a day where I'm at, I'm sure people who've lived here longer could tell us stories.

If I'm out of gas, a gas can and $20 of gas can get me to a station to fill up, or get me to where I need to go.

If my battery is dead-dead and power is out, I can't charge it unless I have $300 generator or a $20k solar array and some daylight hours - aka, missing work.

So adding an EV to my fleet wouldn't necessarily be a straight, across the board win. I would still need a backup option.

And how are we doing with long-term EVs now? The 10+ year old ones. How are the batteries holding up? Getting batteries replaced yet? And what's the cost of those batteries?

 

[Bandit’s Lair]

I’d consider adding an EV when I get a garage that has its own solar power. The price of a system doesn’t have to be oodles and doodles of cash. I’m into mine for about $12k but it does pretty much everything I want it to. Handles all my 15/20A loads and takes care of my water production. If there’s no sun, which doesn’t happen where I am very often, the batteries can charge from the grid and I’m still good to go if the power cuts out for some random reason. Having a separate solar system just for garage work that mirrors the house system is redundancy. In a power outage the garage doesn’t get used but charges. If we use too much power in the house and there’s a power outage we just move the power stations and batteries around and keep on keeping on.

Sorry for the divergence. I’m almost finished setting up more panels and got excited.

 

[Gvsukids]

Another Ev thread...

 

[Hootbro]

Those with solar and a 400 amp service house, EV's can seem like a great thing, but that is top small percent case use.

 

[Sweetums]

The ironic thing is that it's likely the majority of the pollution is coming from three sources: The giant hole in the mountain across the valley, the giant disappearing drainage pond, and rapid construction everywhere.

I really doubt vehicles are playing into it much at all, other than the brodozers who have to roll coal every chance they get.

No one's ever going to say that, though. Too much money is in EV and EV-adjacent industry.

In 2019 Washington did away with emission testing of vehicles because emission tech and better mpgs improved, and the Puget Sound's air quality was better than it was in the 80s and 90s, despite growing massively.

If one of the most liberal, environmental-friendly states pulls back emission testing and cuts a gov't program... there's gotta be serious data it's not vehicles doing the polluting.

You can doubt it, but during COVID we got hard data - which shows the majority of our pollution is from transportation of all kinds and over a third of our pollution is from on-road vehicles.

Sorry, man, I've been hearing that same tired line for way too long. You can go check the studies yourself or read the summary on the Salt Lake City website.

Washington and Puget Sound is nothing like the Salt Lake Valley in climate or geology. We don't have the regular daily cycle of marine air powered by differential heating of the landmass in proximity to the sea; our air tends to stay stuck in a soup bowl of temperature inversion.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

The most taxpayer subsidized thing on Earth is oil. Gasoline is cheap in the United States because of massive taxpayer subsidies. How much blood, sweat, and treasure have we spent in the Middle East for oil? My bad I forgot those wars were because we wanted to spread democracy.

Stating that EVs are taxpayer subsidized but not oil is one of the dumbest things I've heard in quite a while.

Same old tired, ignorant lines.

'They're not ready yet'
'I drive 1,000 miles a day'
'They need to build charging stations on every block first'

You'll notice that nobody who actually owns an EV says any of these things because it's all bullshit. EVs are absolute game changers that can save you a fortune. Just lol at paying for gas to drive to work/run errands. I'm in Palm Springs for Super Bowl weekend..... charged at home for free and will not have to charge to get home. Gladiator would have cost me $120 in gas. I guess that's what a smart person would do though right? EV's are all hype.

lmfao

Oil companies are not given taxpayer money. They get to write off infrastructure just like any other manufacturer.

But let's look at what happens if oil production is suddenly halted. The world as we know it ends. The vast majority of electricity production is via fossil fuels, coal, natural gas, and in remote areas diesel. Without oil to transport those fuels the electricity stops, and the world's population begins to rapidly die off.

This is the reality. You could stop all so called green energy production today and no one would notice. It is that insignificant.

Countries, like Germany, which have gone all in on green energy pay three times what everyone else pays, and it isn't reliable to the point where people freeze to death in Germany every year.

You mention China winning. What do they win? They use slave labor to produce cheap solar modules that are then used to flood the US market which drives local manufacturers out of business. All while ignoring environmental laws that we in the west enacted long ago because china, and socialist countries in general couldn't care less about the environment.

Add to that china is building at least two coal fired electric power plants per month and all of this hand wringing about the air quality is shown to be nothing more than virtue signaling.

If you want clean energy then nuclear power is the way to go. Add to that a broadcast system like Nikola Tesla was working on and you have a world altering technology that everyone would run to.

And that's the true point, if you have a technology that is great, no government has to force you to use it. You will adopt it voluntarily because it is cheaper, more efficient and more comfortable for you to use.

 

[Rusty PW]

Truth right here.

 

[Waldomountainman]

The most taxpayer subsidized thing on Earth is oil. Gasoline is cheap in the United States because of massive taxpayer subsidies. How much blood, sweat, and treasure have we spent in the Middle East for oil? My bad I forgot those wars were because we wanted to spread democracy.

Stating that EVs are taxpayer subsidized but not oil is one of the dumbest things I've heard in quite a while.

Same old tired, ignorant lines.

'They're not ready yet'
'I drive 1,000 miles a day'
'They need to build charging stations on every block first'

You'll notice that nobody who actually owns an EV says any of these things because it's all bullshit. EVs are absolute game changers that can save you a fortune. Just lol at paying for gas to drive to work/run errands. I'm in Palm Springs for Super Bowl weekend..... charged at home for free and will not have to charge to get home. Gladiator would have cost me $120 in gas. I guess that's what a smart person would do though right? EV's are all hype.

lmfao

For what a new battery costs every four years or so the gas in the long-run would likely be the same or cheaper and all the time you spend charging adds up to.

 

[WilldWilly]

I am really just here for the comments. Now where is that smiley face eating popcorn emoji that was on all forums when I was a kid?

Not blaming the last CEO and just getting to work to fix the issues would have been a better solution. From what I can see as the culprit is simple. Same old vehicle, New higher price. I was looking on the web site the other day, and the base gladiator was 38k and change, and like overnight it jumped to 39k and change. It just keeps rising. How are you going to sell a product if you price it out of reality. Saturday, I traded the 21 Willys in for a left over 25 High tide. Had it not had 7k in rebates and dealer sales, and they gave me great money for my trade, I would have been out of the game. The rebates did not give me a good deal; they put the pricing down where I believed it should have been. The Willys was 46k and fairly loaded. The high tide was similarly equipped and then some with a sticker of 52K. I got it to 45k. A more reasonable price.
Cost and reliability are Jeeps problem. Tossing someone else in the drivers seat who plays the blame game will not fix that.

 

[Sweetums]

Truth right here.

You know that show is fiction and the amount of oil consumed to make renewable energy is inconsequential compared to burning it for fuel, right? Stop getting your information from entertainment shows.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

You know that show is fiction and the amount of oil consumed to make renewable energy is inconsequential compared to burning it for fuel, right? Stop getting your information from entertainment

You know that show is fiction and the amount of oil consumed to make renewable energy is inconsequential compared to burning it for fuel, right? Stop getting your information from entertainment shows.

Yes, the show is fiction, but the point it made is sound. There is no point in the production of windmills that isn't heavily dependent on the use of oil. If you banned the use of any oil product in their creation, they couldn't be made.

 

[Sweetums]

Who said anything about banning the use of petroleum products? You can't even do a brake job on an EV without greasing the slide pins - but I think I have a diagnostic code for people who think it's the same as just lighting oil on fire for fuel.

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