Stellantis pleads guilty, will pay $300m for illegally concealing the amount of pollution created by its diesel engine vehicles

[EddyArnold]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/25/...leads-guilty-300-million-fine-emissions-fraud

https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...a-deal-us-emissions-probe-sources-2022-05-25/

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[Rahkmalla]

you know this kind of stuff just has "top-down management problem" written all over it.

Set unreasonable goals, give no leniency for reality, and threaten people's jobs for not being able to make fiction into reality, and suddenly you've got senior project managers cutting corners to appease their unruly bosses.

 

[robinja]

One would think that the industry would have learned from the VW diesel fiasco, but here we are again. @Rahkmalla is spot on, that unreasonable goals, and I'll add government regulation which is increasingly and unrealistically growing beyond the technology, coupled with executive pressures for profit are at the core.

 

[JET_83]

Inexcusable

 

[NachoRuby]

One would think that the industry would have learned from the VW diesel fiasco, but here we are again. @Rahkmalla is spot on, that unreasonable goals, and I'll add government regulation which is increasingly and unrealistically growing beyond the technology, coupled with executive pressures for profit are at the core.

This was around the same time as the VW issues, it's just now being settled. This was for 2014-2016 model years, so right around the time VW got caught. They were all doing it back then. "stretching the rules"... Cheating.

 

[No Quarter]

Just another green boondoggle to transfer money from consumers and corporations and into these insane environmental agendas.

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

Just another green boondoggle to transfer money from consumers and corporations and into these insane environmental agendas.

Yes and no.

Air pollutants related to emissions (diesel NOx emissions specifically) have been linked to increased infant mortality rates. In other words, it is a serious problem, especially in places like Europe where an ass load of people drive diesel vehicles.

 

[22_Sarge_Sport]

Just another green boondoggle to transfer money from consumers and corporations and into these insane environmental agendas.

These companies outright cheated to evade regulations that were crystal clear. They either installed hardware or code whose only purpose was to dupe the test equipment. I'm not sure how your argument applies even loosely to this situation.

 

[XraytecH]

Just another green boondoggle to transfer money from consumers and corporations and into these insane environmental agendas.

AMERICA... FUCK YEAH!!!

 

[rharr]

It's not much different then the fight over leaded fuel, it comes down to striking a balance.

 

[RiverMtnBeach]

Sad part about all of this is the shaming of diesel engines. The most efficient power plant you can physically build pound-for-pound with today's tech is a diesel electric hybrid. There's a reason locomotives use these. A very small displacement turbo diesel PHEV Gladiator could easily have 300+HP, 500+ft/lb torque, and get 30mpg before even plugging the thing in.

 

[No Quarter]

These companies outright cheated to evade regulations that were crystal clear. They either installed hardware or code whose only purpose was to dupe the test equipment. I'm not sure how your argument applies even loosely to this situation.

The ridiculous EPA guidelines force companies to game the system. You have obviously never owned a company in a regulated industry. Where do think those fines are going to go to? They're going to go towards more useless spending on government nonsense.

Green nonsense is costing us all tons of $$ every year.

 

[Mister Lamb]

Your friendly reminder that China and India are responsible for 80% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions. We're forced to use nonsense ESS technology and follow ridiculous rules and regulations while the true culprits live without any hindrances. The diesels of the US are creating little to no longing effects on the world. It's like putting a magnifying glass to a Hershey kiss-sized sh*t on your lawn while ignoring the mountain of putrid sh*t right next to it.

 

[Terry]

Just another green boondoggle to transfer money from consumers and corporations and into these insane environmental agendas.

I am wondering just where that 300 million will go..... Any suggestions?

 

[j.o.y.ride]

The ridiculous EPA guidelines force companies to game the system. You have obviously never owned a company in a regulated industry. Where do think those fines are going to go to? They're going to go towards more useless spending on government nonsense.

Green nonsense is costing us all tons of $$ every year.

The decision to lie and cheat in order to offer a product they knew wasn't going to pass is 100% a Stellantis problem. Nobody told them they had to offer a diesel, and if the only way they could do it is by lying, then the decision to proceed is entirely a Stellantis issue, not an environmental problem.

This $300m that you know they will pass on to consumers is entirely due to the poor management decisions within Stellantis.

Blaming the rules to cover for the liars is very bad precedent.

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