2024/2025 JT+JL V6 Hurricane / 4xe / 392

[Raven65]

Why would they bring the Dakota back? There hasn't even been talks about doing it

Yes, there has... lots of it! Here are just a few recent articles:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-ram-dakota-midsize-pickup-future-cars/

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2024-ram-dakota-what-we-know-thus-far/

https://carsauthority.com/2024-ram-dakota/

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[Raven65]

And if they bring back the Dakota what is the point , they got rid of it for a reason . Further why would they take sales away from the gladiator if it's the same frame...that is a stupid decision. Just improve on the gladiator

Because mid-size trucks are having a resurgence now that full-size trucks have gotten so insanely large/expensive. I don't see the Dakota (or any other mid-size truck for that matter) competing directly with the JT. A Jeep is it's own thing... rugged 4x4 with solid axles, etc. Nobody else does that (in a pickup anyway).

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Yes, there has... lots of it! Here are just a few recent articles:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-ram-dakota-midsize-pickup-future-cars/

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2024-ram-dakota-what-we-know-thus-far/

https://carsauthority.com/2024-ram-dakota/

I can google myself, it also doesn't confirm it is actually coming out in 2024 like it states . Until stillantus actually confirms it coming its just a article on the internet

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Because mid-size trucks are having a resurgence now that full-size trucks have gotten so insanely large/expensive. I don't see the Dakota (or any other mid-size truck for that matter) competing directly with the JT. A Jeep is it's own thing... rugged 4x4 with solid axles, etc. Nobody else does that (in a pickup anyway).

I just hope they don't discontinue the gladiator, I really want one but I have to wait until later this year

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yes, there has... lots of it! Here are just a few recent articles:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-ram-dakota-midsize-pickup-future-cars/

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2024-ram-dakota-what-we-know-thus-far/

https://carsauthority.com/2024-ram-dakota/

Not disagreeing that there has been talk about it, just that - motorbiscuit?
I'd find some authoritative sources. I've found so much incorrect info on those top two lately that it's spooky. They are obviously "new school" "journalists" and I use the latter term quite loosely.
Even Motortrend has hired some goofs in recent years.

Now maybe there's a reason they have "stories" and got some good info, but I hardly consider especially a couple of them a "reliable" source of solid information.
I certainly don't rely on them for solid accurate specs or info on how things work.

But to the other thoughts - yeah, I can see it - competing with Toyota and VW and Ford's Maverick - I can see that.
Hurt Jeep sales - yeah, it could. There's a lot of reasons people buy the JT - contrary to what the purists insist.
I wanted a TRUCK, I wanted a smaller truck. I didn't want a Toyota and VW - forget it. Ford, perhaps, Chevy - meh, ok, maybe (all PERSONAL OPINIONS, nothing more!!!) but my brother has for years had "Jeeps" like the CJ7, various Wranglers and so on. And yeah, I admit there was a bit of envy there. So when I saw the JT - there's my answer, I can be like my little brother and have a "Wrangler" but satisfy my NEED for a truck at the same time.
Had there not been the one part, I'd have looked at a different smaller truck.
But once I got my first JT - everything changed and now "I have no choice" in my mind, it MUST be a Gladiator. If mine was totaled and I was told "go buy a new truck of your choice and we'll pay" I'd go back to Gladiator.
Years ago - not necessarily.
Things changed, my thoughts toward the whole thing, the truck thing and so on changed.
But I can see a lot of people waffling and deciding "I don't need the crazy expense of a Gladiator, I now have another choice" and looking at the Dakota.
Will it impact JT sales "a lot" - I have my doubts. But for sure a few will migrate toward the Dakota to keep it in the "FCA family".
That was part of my reasoning, too - we've had nothing but great luck with Jeep vehicles since I bought my Comanche way back when - so it was another "pro" in in the list - it's a FCA vehicle, a Jeep, even better.

We all like to believe we are typical consumers and others think like we do - or even should if they don't, but it's not the case. Most here are the niche, not the majority.

 

[Raven65]

I can google myself, it also doesn't confirm it is actually coming out in 2024 like it states . Until stillantus actually confirms it coming its just a article on the internet

Great... maybe you should have before you said there hadn't even been any talk about bringing the Dakota back. Was just showing that there has. A LOT of it actually.

 

[BearFootSam]

Because mid-size trucks are having a resurgence now that full-size trucks have gotten so insanely large/expensive. I don't see the Dakota (or any other mid-size truck for that matter) competing directly with the JT. A Jeep is it's own thing... rugged 4x4 with solid axles, etc. Nobody else does that (in a pickup anyway).

Agreed.. I suspect the majority of the market for crossover based pickups - maverick, VW, etc, are sedan/crossover owners pulled by the perceived benefits of pickups without the actual need to justify the expense of going for the real deal.
In other words, looks like a pickup and has a usable bed holds more weight than unseen elements like frames, axles, lockers etc.

98% of those on this site are enthusiasts.

 

[Joe Gladiator]

IMO the lack of info on future Gladiators and all the talk around the new Dakota is not a good sign

 

[Charles 236]

No point in worrying prematurely. There are probably as many "Dakota" rumors floating around in the internet as there were "Cuda" rumors a few years ago. We know how that turned out.

 

[AmosMoses]

Stillantis wont increase their ESG rating putting a V8 in the gladiator. They definitely wont increase their rating making low mpg 4x4's.

 

[BourbonRunner]

IMO the lack of info on future Gladiators and all the talk around the new Dakota is not a good sign

It is disheartening but there could very well be a legitimate reason-- the Dakota and next JT are being designed alongside each other to debut as new models, maybe 24 and 25 respectively.

If that's the case, they get to share R&D costs as well as the parts bin increasing profitability. The Dakota may siphon off a few sales from the JT but as many have said, the JT is a lifestyle vehicle, a Wrangler with a usable bed. A Dakota will go after the non-off road enthusiast owners, daily drivers, and the fleet market. There's no reason why they can't offer a stripped down Tradesman Dakota that takes sales from the GM/Ford/Toyota dealers that weren't buying JT's in the first place.

It is plausible to me that the Dakota/JT would then have a Hurricane and 4xe/hybrid option.

And I'd be really happy if Jeep offers an entry level and High Output (see what I did there) Hurricane, too.

 

[KX L]

It's the brand separation. Not everyone is willing to buy a Jeep, or knows that they are made by Chrysler. GMC rolled the same trucks out of the factory for decades under two different brand names, each of which had die-hard followers.

Check. Back in the 70's I worked on the line at the St Louis GM plant on Union Blvd and we built both Chevy and GMC trucks on the same line at the same time.

 

[Minty JL]

Educational reminder in link below. Yes we are still awaiting a due date and yes there is always a chance these JTs could be a short run like the 04-06 Unlimited two door. The I6 below is as short as some 4 cyl.

Stellantis Media - Stellantis Debuts Hurricane Twin-turbo I-6 Engine That Cuts Emissions, Increases Fuel Economy <em>And</em> Is More Powerful (stellantisnorthamerica.com)

Your statement is not factual and I have explained this in another thread.

The 3.0tt I6 uses the same architecture as the 2.0t I4. What does that mean, they took the 2.0 I4 and added 2 more cylinders to it. That how they can use the pistons and rod. If they share the same cylinder spacing........6 cannot go into 4

3.0 I6 / 6 = .50 liter per cylinder
2.0 I4 /4 = .50 liter per cylinder

REF from the article:
New Member of the Stellantis Propulsion System Family
The 3.0-liter Hurricane twin-turbo I-6 shares design features, including bore and stroke and cylinder spacing, with the globally produced turbocharged 2.0-liter I-4. In North America, the 2.0-liter engine is currently available in the Jeep® Wrangler, Wrangler 4xe, Cherokee and recently launched Grand Cherokee 4xe.

 

[Minty JL]

Because mid-size trucks are having a resurgence now that full-size trucks have gotten so insanely large/expensive. I don't see the Dakota (or any other mid-size truck for that matter) competing directly with the JT. A Jeep is it's own thing... rugged 4x4 with solid axles, etc. Nobody else does that (in a pickup anyway).

Agreed 100%

I was set on buying a new Silverado ZR2 until I drove my buddies '21 Trailboss.........its too fuckin big for a daily driver that's not going to be used daily for towing and hauling materials........Price wise was only about 10k, because JTs are not cheap for a midsize.

But for $51k for a brand new '23 that does everything I need......done.

I have almost 3500 miles on it now and not one complaint........the turn signal stalk makes me giggle every time I use it....because so many complain about it LOL

 

[AstroZombie]

Jeep JT 8xe LMFAO. The 4xe platform is nice but the range is miserable in EV only. Who knows teh JT will probably die before that happens.

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