6.4L V8 Hemi (392) possibly "real world" testing for future Gladiator model

[Dqban]

Thats where solar tiles come in...place another panel on every electric pole, solar windows exists, wind farms exist off shore. Plenty of places for these alternative forms of renewable energy to exist wothout sacrificing so much land.... the future of electricity is not likely to be so centralized with one place producing power for a large number of people.
Fusion reactors are under construction which could make all the above a mute point....first is in france i believe

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[tacowolf]

Why haven’t we heard much about a 392 gladiator?

 

[TheSolarWizard]

Thats where solar tiles come in...place another panel on every electric pole, solar windows exists, wind farms exist off shore. Plenty of places for these alternative forms of renewable energy to exist wothout sacrificing so much land.... the future of electricity is not likely to be so centralized with one place producing power for a large number of people.
Fusion reactors are under construction which could make all the above a mute point....first is in france i believe

none of that tech is ready for prime time
and there are zero fusion reactors under construction or being planned. No legitimate experiments have produced a significant amount of power greater than required to cause a reaction. That will have to happen and vetted thoroughly before reactors are built. I expect the first to show up in about 20 years

source: I own the 4th largest solar installer in the US

 

[bring44]

The 6.4L is a sledgehammer and would make for a lot of fun until the axles broke. They put the right beef underneath and lookout. I just hope it doesn’t kill the resale on my 3.6L.

for the money, might eye the TRX instead. Just sayin.

I agree, but also...the 3.6 is proven. It works! The 2.0 turbo and 3.0 diesel need to prove themselves. In my opinion, this only increases the value of the 3.6.

 

[bring44]

I would def go TRX before a 90K JT....and I absolutely love my JTR

 

[Silvertruck]

none of that tech is ready for prime time

source: I own the 4th largest solar installer in the US

might i say i think that is awesome that you are in the game. Good luck sir! I’m in finance and we have been very interested in how this goes.

 

[MrKnowitall]

The 6.4L is a sledgehammer and would make for a lot of fun until the axles broke. They put the right beef underneath and lookout. I just hope it doesn’t kill the resale on my 3.6L.

for the money, might eye the TRX instead. Just sayin.

The diesel has just as much torque, and that’s not expected to cause any trouble. They can always dial back torque in low range.

 

[TheSolarWizard]

The diesel has just as much torque, and that’s not expected to cause any trouble. They can always dial back torque in low range.

theres definitely gonna be some broken axles from people going wheeling on 40s behind the diesel

 

[Dqban]

you are correct that the reactor is not ready for use, but it is under development. ITER tokomak experimental fusion reactor..under construction in france. Japan is slotted for the second version I believe. Just like all technology, it has to start somewhere. The science behind fusion is sound, the techniques to achieve it already exist. They technically have already achieved the necessary plasma temperatures using lasers, but they need to be able to maintain the temperature. Its more a matter of refinement at this point (though that refinement is no small task.)
No energy tech. is going to have zero impact on the environment. We may ultimately have to choose the one which has the least impact .

none of that tech is ready for prime time
and there are zero fusion reactors under construction or being planned. No legitimate experiments have produced a significant amount of power greater than required to cause a reaction. That will have to happen and vetted thoroughly before reactors are built. I expect the first to show up in about 20 years

source: I own the 4th largest solar installer in the US

they said the same thing about Tesla and battery electric cars when their coupe came out like 20 years ago...time flies

 

[Factoid]

The challenge is to consider the entire lifecycle of the chosen power source and its impact on the environment.

The current environmental impact created by electric vehicles is being ignored as the market share is so small. The reality is that currently the combined impact of mining silicon, lithium, cadmium and a range of other common and rare elements, the disposal of these elements and the inefficiency of converting various energy sources to electricity, transmitting the energy, storing the energy in inefficient batteries and then converting it to rotational force Is significantly more damaging to the environment than the mining of oil and gas, refining of same, distribution and conversion to rotational force. Simple physics.

All of that said, we need to start with a greater sense of urgency going after more efficient methods of generating and storing energy (I deliberately did not say electricity). This the future.

 

[cgflyer]

If you want to replace fossil fuels with solar and wind, be prepared to give up your forests and fields.

A 1000 MW nuclear facility takes up about 1.3 square miles.

The equivalent gas fired power plant needs about 30 acres for the plant and about 1 acre for each gas well.

The equivalent wind power facility needs around 300 square miles of land.

The equivalent solar facility needs about 60 square miles of land.

ref. land needs for solar plants
ref. footprints per energy source

To replace, the 60% of power generated by natural gas and coal would require about 180,000 square miles of land.

I don't support wind or solar power because they literally destroy the land that I enjoy so much.

I've seen this first hand flying over and around wind turbines in Michigan and Canada...while most turbines sit and a very small platform in a farmer's field, they are vey inefficient and unreliable. I saw more sitting idle than spinning most of the time and just read an article that said the blades can't be recycled and I know in the beginning years, none were being manufactured in the USA. The environmental movement is full of hypocrisy and it all comes back to fossil fuels and nuclear. You cannot build a hybrid without burning coal, natural gas or turning your hair green...However, that said, I do think we are missing out on better alternative fuel opportunities. Hydro is a source that just doesn't get used like it used to. Tidal generators for one...there is reservoir on Lake Michigan that pumps from the lake at night when electricity rates are low and then releases the reservoir during the day to pump the generators when the rates are high...seems counter productive, but apparently the cost differentials during peak and off peak times makes up for it. I'm not against wind, solar or hydro. For a long time I thought every new construction should be built with solar which would drive the cost of the materials down considerably, but there is one reason we will never see that happen...The utility companies are a huge lobby and the government earns too much tax revenue from our utility bills. Unless you are mandated to just be a platform of alternative fuel sourcing the utility, the utility companies will never allow the country to go off the grid and that is why this is all smoke and mirrors. Al Gore is not off the grid with solar panels and wind farms in his back yard powering is multimillion dollar mansions. He has the money to never use another drop of oil ever if he wanted to power his homes and he could be driving plug EV's and yet he doesn't.

 

[Factoid]

Many hydroelectric dams in effect store water as energy. They use a dual reservoir system where the upper reservoir is potential energy that flows through the turbines during the day generating electricity during high demand and high kilowatt rate periods Into the lower reservoir. At night when the demand and rates are lower, pumps drawing electricity from the grid pump the lower reservoir water back to the upper reservoir. Apparently, the rate differences make this economical, which is the point Steve is making above.

There are so many good reasons to use a more distributed power grid of many small sources vs. few large sources including national security.

 

[Kent5]

(snip)I'm more interested in the new hybrid for the Gladiator which will be available in the 4xe this December which I'm sure will be available as an option eventually.

Totally agree. If I wanted a sporty car, I couldn't make a worse choice than a Gladiator with a hemi. I love sports cars, but have precisely ZERO interest in big 4x4 trucks with ultra-hipo engines. It's like putting a 426 in your forklift. Sure, it can be done, but really, you're battling its nature.

Diesel and the 4xe drivetrains are my interest for a truck. The diesel (for obvious reasons, TQ, range, etc) and the 4xe because I def do NOT want a full electric (far too limiting) and the 20+ mile EV-only range of the 4xe means I could do the occasional around-town errands and only visit the gas station when going off-road or out on the highway.

If they'd offer the 4xe in the Gladiator, I'd buy one tomorrow, but knowing Jeep's glacial speed, we probably won't see one until 2024, so don't hold your breath.

 

[DreamedofaJeepSomeday]

Anyways, curious to hear what others think about new engines.

I would like the turbo four to be offered with manual transmission. Since that is unlikely to happen, I will happily stick with the V6.

 

[WXman]

File this under the rumour mill but I was told by someone "in the know", that claims Jeep has 60 Jeep Wranglers with the 6.4L Hemi (392) on the road for "real world" testing for a potential 2022. The person I spoke with is an avid jeep collector and obvious die hard fan who has insights into future production even though he doesn't directly work for Jeep. Obviously take this with a grain of salt. So let's just say this is true and the 6.4L engine ends up in the gladiator in 2023, who would buy it? I live in a large city, I'm more interested in the new hybrid for the Gladiator which will be available in the 4xe this December which I'm sure will be available as an option eventually.

Anyways, curious to hear what others think about new engines.

Like I posted in another forum, FCA almost certainly will do this for Wrangler. They have every reason to. First of all it would help them in the fight against the new Bronco. Secondly they've had wild success with stuffing Hemi power into everything else they make. Thirdly they've already got all the R&D finished so it's a simple matter of packaging it and getting it to pass crash testing.

For the Gladiator, it's a totally different can of worms. You notice that the Hurricane engine that's offered in Wrangler is NOT offered in Gladiator, right? That's because towing produces heat, and heat is hard to evacuate from the tight Jeep engine bay. I suspect this is also why the EcoDiesel has been seriously detuned for Jeep use. So, will they attempt to stuff a big V8 into the JT knowing tht people are going to tow with it? I doubt it. I really doubt it.

Having said that, IF and that's a big if...but IF Jeep confirmed 100% that they were going to offer the 392 Hemi in the Gladiator I would be first in line to order one. To hell with the EcoDiesel at that point. 392 Hemi with equal torque, double the horsepower, and none of the expensive maintenance or fuel? YES please, where do I sign?

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