Bent Frame

[CrazyCooter]

Why they aren’t hurting anything. There is no proof the shocks cause this. And I don’t buy that. The 1/8 tabs on the axle should easily deform before or with the frame if shocks are the real reason here.

That bend just happens to be the weakest point on the frame and right where the cab and bed are separated. Any excess weight behind the rear axle is pushing down at the springs like a lever. The motor does the same on the front. Frame will break at the weakest point from the counter leveraging. You can make a demonstration from a board and some weights. Add the additional dynamic forces from high speed bouncing and it’s all she wrote.

Ok cool.....your truck dude.

Maybe you will be the proof we need.

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[Escape.idiocracy]

I do not have an instagram….
The guy that owns the gladiator in the go fast camper video owns this one:
https://www.instagram.com/tacodust/

If anyone with an instagram wants to shoot him a message and ask for more photos/ info that would be awesome. (I know I’d like to see the “where” exactly…. And get the guys thoughts on why.
We have great speculation….. but first hand may have more….

 

[Willys2Gladiator]

So those who plan on towing with a 5-600 tongue weight should be concerned with the down force on the rear hitch?

 

[CrazyCooter]

So those who plan on towing with a 5-600 tongue weight should be concerned with the down force on the rear hitch?

I do it and I'm concerned........ I can see the gap between the cab and bed growing as the hitch weight goes up. I had the same thing on my Dodge 3500, but I have never seen one of those truck bent in half either........

My RV is pretty close to 700lb so I use a weight dist hitch, but my car trailer is closer to 600lb. I've also wondered about a hitch carrier for a motorcycle.

 

[rharr]

Dare I add this as another notch in the diesel belt with the cast iron knuckles…. ??

HAHA suck it gas guys, oil burner for the win!!!!!

 

[rharr]

The fix seems pretty straight forward, just slap some 3/16" plate on the weak area and move on.

some cardboard 3 hours and a welder and you are done.

The referenced video shows how simple it is to add a bit of a insurance policy.

 

[Beat Army]

This thread had me going outside with a flashlight at 10 pm to look…2021 max tow gasser…no notch. October 21 build. Win? Was this some sort of stealth frame upgrade?

 

[rharr]

sounds like jeep might of had two different frame sub contractors each with a slightly different frame design. Based on the wide spread of replies.

 

[CrazyCooter]

This thread had me going outside with a flashlight at 10 pm to look…2021 max tow gasser…no notch. October 21 build. Win? Was this some sort of stealth frame upgrade?

If there was a problem with the design, the manufacturer surley couldn't admit it with so few failures or they could possibly forced to recall the entire line? Just make the change in the middle of the night and keep quiet.

 

[bleda2002]

If there was a problem with the design, the manufacturer surley couldn't admit it with so few failures or they could possibly forced to recall the entire line? Just make the change in the middle of the night and keep quiet.

Its not a problem with the design as the design is adequate for the intended/published forces hence no recall. Now it does appear they beefed it up later but that doesn't mean the old frame couldn't handle the rates 700lb tongue for street towing.

 

[XJFanatic]

Ok cool.....your truck dude.

Maybe you will be the proof we need.

So you think a harsh metal on metal contact would be better than some soft foam absorbing some of the impact. FWIW that foam has never even been touched in the rear.

I won’t be your proof because I am not going to jump my truck with hundreds of pounds hanging from the hitch. I plan to use it like it was intended…

I do it and I'm concerned........ I can see the gap between the cab and bed growing as the hitch weight goes up. I had the same thing on my Dodge 3500, but I have never seen one of those truck bent in half either........

My RV is pretty close to 700lb so I use a weight dist hitch, but my car trailer is closer to 600lb. I've also wondered about a hitch carrier for a motorcycle.

You literally are providing an example to my theory here.

My dodge 3500 would do the same. But than again the factory hitch could be seen flexing with 700lbs of tongue weight. The reason you haven’t seen a dodge fold in half probably revolves around nobody thinking a ram 3500 with a 1600lb motor and 700lbs hanging 2 feet off the ass is meant to jump…

 

[XJFanatic]

Its not a problem with the design as the design is adequate for the intended/published forces hence no recall. Now it does appear they needed it up later but that doesn't mean the old frame couldn't handle the rates 700lb tongue for street towing.

This!

 

[XJFanatic]

I do not have an instagram….
The guy that owns the gladiator in the go fast camper video owns this one:
https://www.instagram.com/tacodust/

If anyone with an instagram wants to shoot him a message and ask for more photos/ info that would be awesome. (I know I’d like to see the “where” exactly…. And get the guys thoughts on why.
We have great speculation….. but first hand may have more….

I agree it would be great to get some actual pics of a bend. Again the shock thing is a theory.

 

[XJFanatic]

The fix seems pretty straight forward, just slap some 3/16" plate on the weak area and move on.

some cardboard 3 hours and a welder and you are done.

The referenced video shows how simple it is to add a bit of a insurance policy.

Yes at face value, possibly no long term. I would believe the area being plated was designed as the intended frame flex point in the JT. Remove it and the frame will have to flex elsewhere. In this case it will probably move to the rear end twisting much more under the bed. This could be an issue causing beds to wrinkle or tearing bed mounts, than again maybe not.

All this is assuming the JT’s frame alloy doesn’t mind standard welding. Regardless you will be adding a localized hot spot across a high stress area. But I am not a metallurgist.

 

[Rusty PW]

So you think a harsh metal on metal contact would be better than some soft foam absorbing some of the impact. FWIW that foam has never even been touched in the rear.

I won’t be your proof because I am not going to jump my truck with hundreds of pounds hanging from the hitch. I plan to use it like it was intended…



You literally are providing an example to my theory here.

My dodge 3500 would do the same. But than again the factory hitch could be seen flexing with 700lbs of tongue weight. The reason you haven’t seen a dodge fold in half probably revolves around nobody thinking a ram 3500 with a 1600lb motor and 700lbs hanging 2 feet off the ass is meant to jump…

You never seen Don Thuren jumping his 2500. LOL There is an old video of him out in Glamis.

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