Confirmed: Gladiator 4xe coming in 2025. JT Gladiator production continues into 2028

[RubiNewbCB]

Ah yes, Chevron Brand Champion and Newsmax writer Lauren Fix. A totally unbiased article ?

Most articles are now bought and paid biased reports and then most of those are advertisements now. Just take a look at your Google Discover's feed, the majority of those articles are advertisements. Sad state for journalists and reporting.

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[Otisday]

Future Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator plans are revealed in UAW agreement:

• Current Jeep Wrangler (JL) will continue into 2028
• Current Jeep Gladiator (JT) will continue into 2028
• Mid-Cycle Action [refresh] updating the Jeep Gladiator (JT) in 2023
• Jeep Wrangler (JL) 4xe PHEV Upgrade in 2025
• Jeep Gladiator (JT) 4xe PHEV Upgrade in 2025
• Next generation Jeep Wrangler (J70) including BEV and REPB
  in 2028
  • REPB = Range Electric Paradigm Breaker. REPB will use an ICE as a generator instead of powering the wheels, allowing the battery to be recharged on the go

Source:
https://actionnetwork.org/user_file...091/original/Stellantis_HourlyHighlighter.pdf

-- from UAW negotiation website: https://uaw.org/uaw-auto-bargaining/stellantis/)​

I just want the Diesal back. I am not a fan of EV anything.

 

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

I’ve wondered for a long time why a paradigm like REPB hasn’t been pursued by any manufacturer before. It’s the method used for diesel/electric locomotives, and has been for like 90 years. Having a stable onboard source of electricity to power/drive traction motors on the wheels makes perfect sense to me.

especially with a diesel. steady RPMs. there is no downside

 

[legacy_etu]

New 2028 Wrangler and no Gladiator mentioned, fairly expected.

New upgrades, new opportunities to keep the hope alive.

That's a great point. They only mention the Wrangler getting an update in 2028, nothing about the JT. hmmmm....

 

[The Duck of Earl]

Wonder what that Pentastar Upgrade will be.

Toyota is bringing the X-Runner back with the TT I6 from the Tundra.........so Toyota is going to win the HP/TQ game in the mid size segment

Not correct at least yet (XRunner just a concept) - TrailHunter has the 2.4T fired with hybrid for 326hp/465tq. With 4xe Gladiator would likely only be down on power (on paper at least) against the ranger raptor.

If Stellantis does not screw it up, a 3 tiered offering in the Wrangler/Gladiator with the following would be relatively competitive, although not apples to apples with the competition: (1) revised 2.0t engine with 300hp/300tq; (2) upgraded pentastar with hybrid with 350hp/400q; (3) revised 4xe with 400hp/500tq.

I kind of expect to see an upgraded pentastar to be paired with the revised 4xe system in some application. Will probably see what is coming offered first in the Wagoneer. I think for the Wagoneer and Gladiator you will need the v6 part of the equation due to vehicle weight and expected utility, but who knows.

AT the very least Stellantis needs to find a way to get over 300hp/300tq out of the pentastar (which would still be a bit of a disappointment if that's all on offer outside of 4xe). Should not be that hard to do with direct injection, particularly if they beef up the etorq assistance (even though that comes with its own drawbacks). Heck the Frontier get 310hp/285tq out of their NA v6 (even though it does have .2L more displacement).

All that said, still not my ideal offerings, but an indication of the times. Rather have the option for the 5.7...

 

[Dave-in-RI]

That’s what the Chevy Volt has done for many years: gas engine generator to recharge the battery.

 

[Oilburner]

That's a great point. They only mention the Wrangler getting an update in 2028, nothing about the JT. hmmmm....

Also, that pdf specifies a 'mid-size Ram pickup' will be added at a Canadian plant- Edit US

 

[bleda2002]

Also, that pdf specifies a 'mid-size Ram pickup' will be added at a Canadian plant-

Isn't Belvidere in Illinois?

 

[redriderjf87]

Ah yes, Chevron Brand Champion and Newsmax writer Lauren Fix. A totally unbiased article ?

They're all biased in some way

 

[Phishs]

The have said a 4XE Gladiator since MY 2022. Maybe it’s real this time.

 

[GeneralMaximus]

I'll pass on any sort of EV. It takes what to mine it? Diesel power, and electricity from the grid to manufacturer it. It's horrible for the environment. It also takes (clean burning coal) cough cough ? to run electric plants which then have to be used to process. If a leach pond breaks absolutely everything is destroyed in the vicinity.
https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/lithium-ion-battery-environmental-impact/
Really good article
Edit: Not to mention that it takes electricity to also charge these EV batteries and where does that come from? Fossil fuels? It obviously doesn't come from all solar farms. Plus it takes up to 40 minutes to make a battery charged up to 80% I think I was told.

That article is from 2019. Battery tech has already made technological strides since then. Anyone still not convinced of EVs viability at this point are like the lamp lighters of yore. They fought tooth and nail to convince everyone why oil lamps were superior to the new electric streetlamps. But how many lamplighters are there now?

I own enough vehicles to count on two hands. Only one is an EV but I know it’s technologically superior to every other gas powered car/motorcycle i’ve got. Still, I’ll keep buying the antiquated tech as long as they’re sold, because I like that living/breathing feel you get only with a combustion engine.

 

[Raven65]

That article is from 2019. Battery tech has already made technological strides since then. Anyone still not convinced of EVs viability at this point are like the lamp lighters of yore. They fought tooth and nail to convince everyone why oil lamps were superior to the new electric streetlamps. But how many lamplighters are there now?

I own enough vehicles to count on two hands. Only one is an EV but I know it’s technologically superior to every other gas powered car/motorcycle i’ve got. Still, I’ll keep buying the antiquated tech as long as they’re sold, because I like that living/breathing feel you get only with a combustion engine.

I agree.
A more direct comparison would be to the transition from horses to automobiles. Don’t see to many water troughs, hitching posts or blacksmith shops in town anymore do you? Back when the Model T led the way in bringing affordable automobiles to the masses starting in 1908, there weren’t many gas stations around… just as EV chargers aren’t readily available everywhere yet… but they will be soon. Battery tech WILL improve and prices WILL come down. It’s only a matter of time. I bet EVs will reach price parity with ICE vehicles (without subsidies/incentives) in the next five years.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I’ve wondered for a long time why a paradigm like REPB hasn’t been pursued by any manufacturer before. It’s the method used for diesel/electric locomotives, and has been for like 90 years. Having a stable onboard source of electricity to power/drive traction motors on the wheels makes perfect sense to me.

The Chevy volt was using this technology in 2011. I had a 2013 and 2015. Wonderful drivetrain. Always electric propulsion with zero range anxiety when the generator kicks in after battery depletion. If you drive less than battery range, no gas usage. I’ve been waiting for someone else to do it.

 

[Xrayphoton1]

I'm so excited! Guess that means I have to wait until '25 though. I want that upgrade pentastar. Or maybe 4xe. Depends on price

 

[GeneralMaximus]

I agree.
A more direct comparison would be to the transition from horses to automobiles. Don’t see to many water troughs, hitching posts or blacksmith shops in town anymore do you? Back when the Model T led the way in bringing affordable automobiles to the masses starting in 1908, there weren’t many gas stations around… just as EV chargers aren’t readily available everywhere yet… but they will be soon. Battery tech WILL improve and prices WILL come down. It’s only a matter of time. I bet EVs will reach price parity with ICE vehicles (without subsidies/incentives) in the next five years.

Also, a commonality I see with the anti-EV crowd is, they assume that our current EV/battery technology is what we are stuck with. Case in point, referencing that article from four years ago. To me, thats like someone in 1903 assuming that the two-seat Wright Flyer is as far as they’d get with aircraft tech. We all know how far aviation advanced in a short amount of time, since that stick and fabric Wright Flyer first took flight.

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